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>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/ --_000_DM5PR16MB14492463FAEC13FC7B1EC303D1610DM5PR16MB1449namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As we change the page to a new month, it is perhaps a good time to mention = that anyone who had a copy of the Blomidon Naturalists' Society calendar wo= uld have immediately recognized Nancy's plant, as we have been looking at R= oy Bishop's fine photo of a hobble-bush in bloom all the month of May. Like David, I grew up knowing that plant as Viburnum alnifolium Marshall in= stead of Viburnum lantanoides Michaux. As someone with an incurable interest in taxonomy and nomenclature, I am c= urious as to whether the change was a result of splitting/lumping of specie= s or whether V. alnifolium was found to be invalid for some reason. Any b= otanists out there who want to explain that? Wayne Neily Tremont, NS ________________________________ From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on beha= lf of Doug Linzey <doug@fundymud.com> Sent: May 31, 2018 20:52 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Flowering Dogwood Yep. Sure looks like hobble-bush. Definitely not the dogwood leaf. Doug Linzey On 31-May-18 10:10 AM, NancyDowd wrote: > I was just on the road this morning. Blooming is over (4 days hence). But= here are closer views showing the leaves, spent flowers and reddish stems.= Note the plant is along the open edge of this woodsy road, forest behind a= nd it is the only one along the whole road it seems. > https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/28601303478/in/dateposted-pub= lic/ > https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/27602735257/in/dateposted-pub= lic/ > > Hope this helps clarify its ID. Thanks for all the input. > > Nancy > > >> On May 31, 2018, at 7:05 AM, Nick Hill <fernhillns@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Totally >> The leaves of both are simple but the hobble bush has thicker textured l= eaves and this dogwood has smoother leaves with the distinctive telltale ve= ins of the dogwood.. the veins diverge from the midrib of the leaf but then= follow along the main axis and head to the tip of the leaf without getting= to the leaf margin. >> >> Flowers of both in clusters. The clusters of hobble bush are flat and co= mposed of small fertile flowers in the inside that make the berries and lar= ger sterile flowers like white lobed platters all around the edge. These at= tract the insects and make the world go round but even without insects the = berries are produced by self fertilization of the bisexual flowers...baggin= g inflorescences showed this. Alternate leaves dogwood berries go through a= metallic blue phase, the hobble a red phase, and then both end up black. >> >> Question: I think both are adapted to shade. Hobble bush grows coarsely = when its canopy is cut down and then is food for deer. Alternate dogwood ge= ts what seems to be a fungus when it is in sheer sun...what is this fungus = that turns the branches orange and kills this tree? >> >> On May 30, 2018 11:09 PM, "Doug Linzey" <doug@fundymud.com> wrote: >> There still seems to be some uncertainty about species / common names. >> The hobble-bush (Viburnum lantanoides) is an early bloomer, and is >> similar to but is not a dogwood (cornus). The hobble-bush on my property >> is just about finished blooming. It tends to live naturally in forested, >> well-shaded areas and readily spreads through stem layering and root >> suckering, so you'll often find lots of plants together. The >> alternate-leaf dogwood, or pagoda dogwood (Cornus alternifolia), on the >> other hand, is just coming into bloom now. It likes more sun than >> hobble-bush and tends to grow larger, with thicker stems, and cultivated >> in a sunny spot can be quite impressive when in bloom. Both shrubs are >> native to Nova Scotia. Their leaves are quite different and distinctive, >> and thus pretty easy to identify. >> >> Cheers, >> Doug Linzey >> >> >> On 28-May-18 4:08 AM, NancyDowd wrote: >>> Thank you all for the ID help. I was not near enough the bush to get a = good look and was not going to cross the ditch to do so. Hobblebush must ha= ve a long flowering season as I am sure I have noted it in flower in July a= s well. A fast grower. >>> >>> Nancy >>> >>>> On May 27, 2018, at 9:43 PM, Ian Manning <ianmanning4@gmail.com> wrote= : >>>> >>>> Nancy, >>>> >>>> Re the dogwood, I guess you're thinking of alternate-leaved dogwood wh= ich is pretty common in NS, at least when you're walking in a good spots. N= ext time you come across one, take a good look at it. I find it's the easie= st shrub to reliably ID at all times of the year because of it's flat sprea= ding tier-like branching pattern (there's probably other shrubs that branch= similar but none I can think of) and at least wherever I've seen, it's alw= ays infected with a orange rust fungus (golden canker of alternate leaved d= ogwood) on at least one branch, I can only ever remember seeing one without= it, though that's just my impression from Kings/Annapolis Co, where I do m= ost of my tromping. >>>> >>>> Ian >>>> >>>> On 27 May 2018 at 18:29, David <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote: >>>> Hi All, >>>> Thanks Ian, for the confirmation. Some species names get swapped= at intervals. Fernald (1950) has V. lantanoides Michx. as a synonym of V. = alnifolium. The constant, as you say, is hobblebush. The fruit is a good ni= bble but seldom seen at the right time. It fruits reliably in a garden sett= ing. >>>> Yt, DW, Kentville >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Ian Manning" <ianmanning4@gmail.com> >>>> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca >>>> Sent: 5/27/2018 3:03:18 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Flowering Dogwood >>>> >>>>> Yep. That=92s V. lantanoides name has changed, I call it hobblebush. >>>>> >>>>>> On May 27, 2018, at 12:03 PM, nancy dowd <nancypdowd@gmail.com> wrot= e: >>>>>> >>>>>> And I see multiple reddish stems I think. So likely not a tree at al= l. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nancy >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 27, 2018, at 10:54 AM, David <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Nancy & All, >>>>>>> You may be correct because I find photos to be a poor substitut= e for the real thing. But this looks more like a very tall variant of Vibur= num alnifolium; usually only knee high. >>>>>>> Dogwood is also readily recognized by the bark; as you might su= ppose. >>>>>>> They do not survive long in dense woodland and are thus more co= mmon along road edges or in small glades generated by windfall or cutting. >>>>>>> Yt, DW, Kentville >>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>> From: "NancyDowd" <nancypdowd@gmail.com> >>>>>>> To: "naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> >>>>>>> Sent: 5/27/2018 9:57:19 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [NatureNS] Flowering Dogwood >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Always a random, but happy, encounter when I come across a Floweri= ng Dogwood tree in the woods. I do not find many of them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/42385040971/in/datepos= ted-public/ >>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/42385036071/in/datepos= ted-public/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nancy >>>>>>>> E Dalhousie, Kings Co. >> > . > --_000_DM5PR16MB14492463FAEC13FC7B1EC303D1610DM5PR16MB1449namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-1= 252"> <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"><!-- P {margin-top:0;margi= n-bottom:0;} --></style> </head> <body dir=3D"ltr"> <div id=3D"divtagdefaultwrapper" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:#000000;font= -family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;" dir=3D"ltr"> <p style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">As we change the page to = a new month, it is perhaps a good time to mention that anyone who had a cop= y of the Blomidon Naturalists' Society calendar would have immediately reco= gnized Nancy's plant, as we have been looking at Roy Bishop's fine photo of a hobble-bush in bloom all the month= of May.</p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><br> </p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Like David, I grew up kno= wing that plant as <em>Viburnum alnifolium</em> Marshall instead of <em>Viburnum lantanoides</= em> Michaux.<br> </p> <p> As someone with an incurable interest in taxonomy and nomenclature= , I am curious as to whether the change was a result of splitting/lumping o= f species or whether <em>V. alnifolium</em> was found to be invalid for some reason. = Any botanists out there who want to explain that?</p> <p><br> </p> <p>Wayne Neily</p> <p>Tremont, NS<br> <br> </p> <div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <hr tabindex=3D"-1" style=3D"width: 98%; display: inline-block;"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Calib= ri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:</b> naturens-owner@cheb= ucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on behalf of Doug Linzey &= lt;doug@fundymud.com><br> <b>Sent:</b> May 31, 2018 20:52<br> <b>To:</b> naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NatureNS] Flowering Dogwood</font> <div> </div> </div> <div class=3D"BodyFragment"><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt= ;"> <div class=3D"PlainText">Yep. Sure looks like hobble-bush. Definitely not t= he dogwood leaf.<br> <br> Doug Linzey<br> <br> On 31-May-18 10:10 AM, NancyDowd wrote:<br> > I was just on the road this morning. Blooming is over (4 days hence). = But here are closer views showing the leaves, spent flowers and reddish ste= ms. Note the plant is along the open edge of this woodsy road, forest behin= d and it is the only one along the whole road it seems.<br> > <a class=3D"OWAAutoLink" id=3D"LPlnk34083" href=3D"https://www.flickr.= com/photos/150605880@N07/28601303478/in/dateposted-public/" previewremoved= =3D"true"> https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/28601303478/in/dateposted-publi= c/</a><br> > <a class=3D"OWAAutoLink" id=3D"LPlnk1070" href=3D"https://www.flickr.c= om/photos/150605880@N07/27602735257/in/dateposted-public/" previewremoved= =3D"true"> https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/27602735257/in/dateposted-publi= c/</a><br> ><br> > Hope this helps clarify its ID. Thanks for all the input.<br> ><br> > Nancy<br> ><br> ><br> >> On May 31, 2018, at 7:05 AM, Nick Hill <fernhillns@gmail.com>= ; wrote:<br> >><br> >> Totally<br> >> The leaves of both are simple but the hobble bush has thicker text= ured leaves and this dogwood has smoother leaves with the distinctive tellt= ale veins of the dogwood.. the veins diverge from the midrib of the leaf bu= t then follow along the main axis and head to the tip of the leaf without getting to the leaf margin.<br> >><br> >> Flowers of both in clusters. The clusters of hobble bush are flat = and composed of small fertile flowers in the inside that make the berries a= nd larger sterile flowers like white lobed platters all around the edge. Th= ese attract the insects and make the world go round but even without insects the berries are produced by self fertili= zation of the bisexual flowers...bagging inflorescences showed this. Altern= ate leaves dogwood berries go through a metallic blue phase, the hobble a r= ed phase, and then both end up black.<br> >><br> >> Question: I think both are adapted to shade. Hobble bush grows coa= rsely when its canopy is cut down and then is food for deer. Alternate dogw= ood gets what seems to be a fungus when it is in sheer sun...what is this f= ungus that turns the branches orange and kills this tree?<br> >><br> >> On May 30, 2018 11:09 PM, "Doug Linzey" <doug@fundymu= d.com> wrote:<br> >> There still seems to be some uncertainty about species / common na= mes.<br> >> The hobble-bush (Viburnum lantanoides) is an early bloomer, and is= <br> >> similar to but is not a dogwood (cornus). The hobble-bush on my pr= operty<br> >> is just about finished blooming. It tends to live naturally in for= ested,<br> >> well-shaded areas and readily spreads through stem layering and ro= ot<br> >> suckering, so you'll often find lots of plants together. The<br> >> alternate-leaf dogwood, or pagoda dogwood (Cornus alternifolia), o= n the<br> >> other hand, is just coming into bloom now. It likes more sun than<= br> >> hobble-bush and tends to grow larger, with thicker stems, and cult= ivated<br> >> in a sunny spot can be quite impressive when in bloom. Both shrubs= are<br> >> native to Nova Scotia. Their leaves are quite different and distin= ctive,<br> >> and thus pretty easy to identify.<br> >><br> >> Cheers,<br> >> Doug Linzey<br> >><br> >><br> >> On 28-May-18 4:08 AM, NancyDowd wrote:<br> >>> Thank you all for the ID help. I was not near enough the bush = to get a good look and was not going to cross the ditch to do so. Hobblebus= h must have a long flowering season as I am sure I have noted it in flower = in July as well. A fast grower.<br> >>><br> >>> Nancy<br> >>><br> >>>> On May 27, 2018, at 9:43 PM, Ian Manning <ianmanning4@g= mail.com> wrote:<br> >>>><br> >>>> Nancy,<br> >>>><br> >>>> Re the dogwood, I guess you're thinking of alternate-leave= d dogwood which is pretty common in NS, at least when you're walking in a g= ood spots. Next time you come across one, take a good look at it. I find it= 's the easiest shrub to reliably ID at all times of the year because of it's flat spreading tier-like branching pattern (th= ere's probably other shrubs that branch similar but none I can think of) an= d at least wherever I've seen, it's always infected with a orange rust fung= us (golden canker of alternate leaved dogwood) on at least one branch, I can only ever remember seeing one witho= ut it, though that's just my impression from Kings/Annapolis Co, where I do= most of my tromping.<br> >>>><br> >>>> Ian<br> >>>><br> >>>> On 27 May 2018 at 18:29, David <dwebster@glinx.com> = wrote:<br> >>>> Hi All,<br> >>>> Thanks Ian, for the co= nfirmation. Some species names get swapped at intervals. Fernald (1950) has= V. lantanoides Michx. as a synonym of V. alnifolium. The constant, as you = say, is hobblebush. The fruit is a good nibble but seldom seen at the right time. It fruits reliably in a garden setting.<br> >>>> Yt, DW, Kentville<br> >>>><br> >>>> ------ Original Message ------<br> >>>> From: "Ian Manning" <ianmanning4@gmail.com>= ;<br> >>>> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<br> >>>> Sent: 5/27/2018 3:03:18 PM<br> >>>> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Flowering Dogwood<br> >>>><br> >>>>> Yep. That=92s V. lantanoides name has changed, I call = it hobblebush.<br> >>>>> <br> >>>>>> On May 27, 2018, at 12:03 PM, nancy dowd <nancy= pdowd@gmail.com> wrote:<br> >>>>>> <br> >>>>>> And I see multiple reddish stems I think. So likel= y not a tree at all.<br> >>>>>> <br> >>>>>> Nancy<br> >>>>>> <br> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad<br> >>>>>> <br> >>>>>>> On May 27, 2018, at 10:54 AM, David <dwebst= er@glinx.com> wrote:<br> >>>>>>> <br> >>>>>>> Hi Nancy & All,<br> >>>>>>> You may be correct bec= ause I find photos to be a poor substitute for the real thing. But this loo= ks more like a very tall variant of Viburnum alnifolium; usually only knee = high.<br> >>>>>>> Dogwood is also readil= y recognized by the bark; as you might suppose.<br> >>>>>>> They do not survive lo= ng in dense woodland and are thus more common along road edges or in small = glades generated by windfall or cutting.<br> >>>>>>> Yt, DW, Kentville<br> >>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------<br> >>>>>>> From: "NancyDowd" <nancypdowd@gma= il.com><br> >>>>>>> To: "naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" <na= turens@chebucto.ns.ca><br> >>>>>>> Sent: 5/27/2018 9:57:19 AM<br> >>>>>>> Subject: [NatureNS] Flowering Dogwood<br> >>>>>>> <br> >>>>>>>> Always a random, but happy, encounter when= I come across a Flowering Dogwood tree in the woods. I do not find many of= them.<br> >>>>>>>> <br> >>>>>>>> <a class=3D"OWAAutoLink" id=3D"LPlnk283017= " href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/42385040971/in/datepo= sted-public/" previewremoved=3D"true"> https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/42385040971/in/dateposted-publi= c/</a><br> >>>>>>>> <a class=3D"OWAAutoLink" id=3D"LPlnk759312= " href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/42385036071/in/datepo= sted-public/" previewremoved=3D"true"> https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/42385036071/in/dateposted-publi= c/</a><br> >>>>>>>> <br> >>>>>>>> Nancy<br> >>>>>>>> E Dalhousie, Kings Co.<br> >><br> > .<br> ><br> <br> </div> </span></font></div> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_DM5PR16MB14492463FAEC13FC7B1EC303D1610DM5PR16MB1449namp_--
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