[NatureNS] Flowering Dogwood

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Totally
The leaves of both are simple but the hobble bush has thicker textured
leaves and this dogwood has smoother leaves with the distinctive telltale
veins of the dogwood.. the veins diverge from the midrib of the leaf but
then follow along the main axis and head to the tip of the leaf without
getting to the leaf margin.

Flowers of both in clusters. The clusters of hobble bush are flat and
composed of small fertile flowers in the inside that make the berries and
larger sterile flowers like white lobed platters all around the edge. These
attract the insects and make the world go round but even without insects
the berries are produced by self fertilization of the bisexual
flowers...bagging inflorescences showed this. Alternate leaves dogwood
berries go through a metallic blue phase, the hobble a red phase, and then
both end up black.

Question: I think both are adapted to shade. Hobble bush grows coarsely
when its canopy is cut down and then is food for deer. Alternate dogwood
gets what seems to be a fungus when it is in sheer sun...what is this
fungus that turns the branches orange and kills this tree?

On May 30, 2018 11:09 PM, "Doug Linzey" <doug@fundymud.com> wrote:

There still seems to be some uncertainty about species / common names.
The hobble-bush (Viburnum lantanoides) is an early bloomer, and is
similar to but is not a dogwood (cornus). The hobble-bush on my property
is just about finished blooming. It tends to live naturally in forested,
well-shaded areas and readily spreads through stem layering and root
suckering, so you'll often find lots of plants together. The
alternate-leaf dogwood, or pagoda dogwood (Cornus alternifolia), on the
other hand, is just coming into bloom now. It likes more sun than
hobble-bush and tends to grow larger, with thicker stems, and cultivated
in a sunny spot can be quite impressive when in bloom. Both shrubs are
native to Nova Scotia. Their leaves are quite different and distinctive,
and thus pretty easy to identify.

Cheers,
Doug Linzey


On 28-May-18 4:08 AM, NancyDowd wrote:
> Thank you all for the ID help. I was not near enough the bush to get a
good look and was not going to cross the ditch to do so. Hobblebush must
have a long flowering season as I am sure I have noted it in flower in July
as well. A fast grower.
>
> Nancy
>
>> On May 27, 2018, at 9:43 PM, Ian Manning <ianmanning4@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Nancy,
>>
>> Re the dogwood, I guess you're thinking of alternate-leaved dogwood
which is pretty common in NS, at least when you're walking in a good spots.
Next time you come across one, take a good look at it. I find it's the
easiest shrub to reliably ID at all times of the year because of it's flat
spreading tier-like branching pattern (there's probably other shrubs that
branch similar but none I can think of) and at least wherever I've seen,
it's always infected with a orange rust fungus (golden canker of alternate
leaved dogwood) on at least one branch, I can only ever remember seeing one
without it, though that's just my impression from Kings/Annapolis Co, where
I do most of my tromping.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On 27 May 2018 at 18:29, David <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>      Thanks Ian, for the confirmation. Some species names get swapped at
intervals. Fernald (1950) has V. lantanoides Michx. as a synonym of V.
alnifolium. The constant, as you say, is hobblebush. The fruit is a good
nibble but seldom seen at the right time. It fruits reliably in a garden
setting.
>> Yt, DW, Kentville
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Ian Manning" <ianmanning4@gmail.com>
>> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Sent: 5/27/2018 3:03:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Flowering Dogwood
>>
>>> Yep. That=E2=80=99s V. lantanoides name has changed, I call it hobblebu=
sh.
>>>
>>>> On May 27, 2018, at 12:03 PM, nancy dowd <nancypdowd@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And I see multiple reddish stems I think. So likely not a tree at all.
>>>>
>>>> Nancy
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On May 27, 2018, at 10:54 AM, David <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Nancy & All,
>>>>>    You may be correct because I find photos to be a poor substitute
for the real thing. But this looks more like a very tall variant of
Viburnum alnifolium; usually only knee high.
>>>>>    Dogwood is also readily recognized by the bark; as you might
suppose.
>>>>>    They do not survive long in dense woodland and are thus more
common along road edges or in small glades generated by windfall or cutting=
.
>>>>> Yt, DW, Kentville
>>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>>> From: "NancyDowd" <nancypdowd@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
>>>>> Sent: 5/27/2018 9:57:19 AM
>>>>> Subject: [NatureNS] Flowering Dogwood
>>>>>
>>>>>> Always a random, but happy, encounter when I come across a Flowering
Dogwood tree in the woods. I do not find many of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/42385040971/in/dateposted-publi=
c/
>>>>>>
https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/42385036071/in/dateposted-publi=
c/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nancy
>>>>>> E Dalhousie, Kings Co.
>>>>>

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<div dir=3D"auto">Totally<div dir=3D"auto">The leaves of both are simple bu=
t the hobble bush has thicker textured leaves and this dogwood has smoother=
 leaves with the distinctive telltale veins of the dogwood.. the veins dive=
rge from the midrib of the leaf but then follow along the main axis and hea=
d to the tip of the leaf without getting to the leaf margin.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Flowers of both in clusters. The clus=
ters of hobble bush are flat and composed of small fertile flowers in the i=
nside that make the berries and larger sterile flowers like white lobed pla=
tters all around the edge. These attract the insects and make the world go =
round but even without insects the berries are produced by self fertilizati=
on of the bisexual flowers...bagging inflorescences showed this. Alternate =
leaves dogwood berries go through a metallic blue phase, the hobble a red p=
hase, and then both end up black.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br>