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and I= --_000_MWHPR17MB1199C990E8EC6DA82C32EDA3C7D40MWHPR17MB1199namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for this note Keith. Given that 'Spring First Arrivals' is a new initiative and that there are c= ontent changes for NS Birds on the horizon, I think discussion is necessary= . Availability of data is much different now than during pre-eBird days. We= have to take this into account to know where to focus our efforts. I do want to apologize to Eric regarding my earlier e-mail. I've known Eric= as long as I've been a birder and I have nothing but respect for him (I kn= ow he knows that too). Lets work together and ensure that we focus our effo= rts on the most useful tasks. Alix Arthur d'Entremont BSc Geomatics Engineering 292 Abbott's Harbour Road Middle West Pubnico Yarmouth Co., Nova Scotia Canada B0W 2M0 Phone: +1 902 762 2082 Mobile: +1 902 307 0373 e-mail: alixdentremont@hotmail.com Bird Photography http://www.flickr.com/photos/alixd/ Website http://alixdentremont.blogspot.ca/ ________________________________ From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on beha= lf of Keith Lowe <mythos25@live.com> Sent: March 19, 2018 1:40 PM To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Spring first arrivals I was quite shocked to read this Eric. Your tone seems over the top in crit= icizing an initiative from a group of people who volunteered so much time a= nd effort to bring us this information. I did provide some data processing = to them but I don=92t consider myself part of the =93cabal=94 so I can say = that I think they are doing are great job in proving useful information and= I=92ll be following it for sure. This info is something I=92ve been wantin= g for years and I=92m glad someone is finally getting it done. If a new group of eiders or scoters moves into an area in spring, how could= anyone know if they came from elsewhere in the province or not? You may be= one of a few that would have a good idea on that but I don=92t think you c= ould be certain. Likewise with robins. There have been groups of hundreds of robins reported= around the province this winter. If an avid birder recognizes a new a grou= p or robins that moved into their patch, how could they possibly know if th= ey overwintered in NS or not? And frankly what difference does it makes whe= n it comes to robins. We have way too many that over winter to sort out whi= ch ones didn=92t Keith Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for Window= s 10 ________________________________ From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on beha= lf of Eric Mills <E.Mills@Dal.Ca> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 9:07:58 AM To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Spring first arrivals Hello Nancy, So lots of species - Common Eiders, loons, the Scoters, most common gulls, = Robins, on and on - are excluded from this Citizen Science project. I think that the anonymous cabal (I know who they are; I am just being face= tious) that has established these criteria and the list should think again= . There are many good field birders in Nova Scotia who know their local pat= ches very well and can make good informed judgements about what has arrived= and what has been around all winter. With such a constipated list we will certainly miss new and significant inf= ormation about many species. I don't think that is necessary and it is cert= ainly not desirable. Eric Eric L. Mills Lower Rose Bay Lunenburg Co., NS ________________________________ From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on beha= lf of nancy dowd <nancypdowd@gmail.com> Sent: March 19, 2018 7:04:16 AM To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Spring first arrivals These no doubt are Spring First Arrivals, arriving via the route you mentio= ned. So I will use this opportunity to clarify some of the reasoning behind= the species list on the NSBS Spring First Arrivals table. http://www.nsbir= dsociety.ca/library/resources/spring-first-arrivals The reason these species are not part of this NSBS dataset: We have exclude= d species who have significant overwintering populations in some part of NS= (see Conclusion section below table), to reduce any entries that require a= ssumptions on our part. For example, did those RB Gulls get blown in from a= nearby wintering population? Or were the Lesser Black-backs (always a tong= ue twister) ones already present in SW NS (probably not)? Even Baltimore Or= ioles got nixed due to ambiguity. NatureNS will be getting regular updates on Spring First Arrivals as the mi= gration season progresses. So please post any sightings. Nancy Sent from my iPad On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:07 PM, Eric Mills <E.Mills@Dal.Ca<mailto:E.Mills@Dal.= Ca>> wrote: Two that I believe qualify, with my justification: Ring-billed Gull - March 18. 10 bright full adults roosting with Herring Gu= lls off Privateer Park, Liverpool, Queens Co., were not present earlier. Th= roughout the winter 1-2 Ring-bills, usually first-winter (occasionally adul= ts) have been present. Lesser Black-backed Gull - March 11. An adult graellsii arrived among roost= ing Herring and Greater Black-backed Gulls off Privateer Park, Liverpool, Q= ueens Co., slept for a while, and then headed off seaward. The timing is co= nsistent with northward movement from wintering areas in the southeastern U= SA (likely toward nesting areas in W Greenland or Iceland, although no doub= t by easy stages so early in the season). 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