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no --_000_DM5PR16MB1449A9FFB3AA50BECA523582D1460DM5PR16MB1449namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello David, You are quite right that it can be difficult to change the mind of any of u= s who have a fixed opinion on something and have not been able to study the= question in the field. I'm not sure that anyone has claimed that ancient woodland is the best ty= pe of cover - certainly it is not if you are a moose. What most conservati= onists and naturalists seek is a good diversity of the forest types and sta= ges naturally occurring in a given area, since each stage and type has tree= s, shrubs, herbaceous plants, birds and other animals adapted to it. All t= hese stages are important to ensure biological diversity and to protect thr= eatened species. Old-growth forests may have less diversity of species th= an some others (edge habitats usually have the most diversity), but for tho= se that live there they are essential, and our focus needs to be on protect= ing them because they are the most endangered forest ecosystems here and th= ey take the longest to regenerate. Certainly there is no shortage of the e= arly forest stages preferred by deer and moose. It seems that our forest m= anagers are making some effort to see that "harvested" areas grow back to a= sort of forest that will provide more fibre in the shortest time but have = little or no interest in allowing it to grow to subsequent successional sta= ges or ensuring that all forest types are represented. I'll leave it to th= e forest ecologists on the list to give more details if they wish. Wayne P. Neily Tremont, Kings Co., Nova Scotia "The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep." - Robert Frost, 1923 [Stopping by Woods on= a Snowy Evening] "Think globally, Act locally." - Ren=E9 Dubos, 1972. ________________________________ From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on beha= lf of David <dwebster@glinx.com> Sent: October 22, 2017 21:14 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Cc: David Webster Subject: [NatureNS] observation and dogma Hello All, While clearing some junk out of the basement recently I came across a g= ear which I made from scraps, decades before e-mail,(~1975 ?) for stereosco= pic viewing of air photos. It consisted of two mirrors held 7" apart in sl= ots cut at a 45 degree angle in thin boards, one mirror facing up & one dow= n. A low table lamp is required so that the portion of air photo below the = down facing mirror is illuminated. In use, the area of interest was placed below the down facing mirror an= d a full size image would then appear in the up facing mirror. For purposes= of visualization let the down facing mirror be on the left. The correspond= ing area of the second air photo would then be placed one eye spacing to th= e right of the up facing mirror. If the photos are arranged with edges para= llel then the whole assembly can be moved around without adjustment. For viewing I used two cheap reading lenses about 2" in diameter. Tilt= ing one or both a bit, one over the up mirror, one over the right air photo= enabled fine distance adjustment for stereoscopic viewing. With this long preamble out of the way, and with likely most naturenser= s reading something else, I can now get to the point. A few years after I joined Naturens the subject of expensive stereoscop= ic viewers came up and I mentioned having designed and made this device fro= m disposables. Observation: it worked fine even for those who had never previously see= n stereoscopic images of air photos. Dogma: someone chimed in with the objection "that can't possibly work." I have noticed this conflict between observation and dogma many times o= n Naturens, especially in recent posts with respect to Old Growth and wildl= ife e.g Moose. Over the years I have walked over a lot of woodland, sometim= es for hunting but mostly for the fun of seeing what was over the next rise= etc. And without exception, woodland of large widely spaced trees is count= ry either avoided by animals or crossed in a bee line. Disturbed cover, on = the other hand, clearcut or selectively cut by human, by wind throw or by S= pruce Budworm quickly become more alive. Former Beaver desert became Beaver= heaven when the Budworm killed Fir and Spruce and generated space for hard= wood thickets. Twenty or so suckers which sprouted from the stump of a larg= e Ash which I cut January 2017 were gnawed to stubs by July. Just a rhetorical question but I wonder how someone comes to the conclu= sion that ancient woodland is the best possible type of cover ? YT, DW, Kentville --_000_DM5PR16MB1449A9FFB3AA50BECA523582D1460DM5PR16MB1449namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"><!-- P {margin-top:0;margi= n-bottom:0;} --></style> </head> <body dir=3D"ltr"> <div id=3D"divtagdefaultwrapper" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:#000000;font= -family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;" dir=3D"ltr"> <p>Hello David,</p> <p><br> </p> <p>You are quite right that it can be difficult to change the mind of any o= f us who have a fixed opinion on something and have not been able= to study the question in the field. </p> <p> I'm not sure that anyone has claimed that ancient woodland is the= best type of cover - certainly it is not if you are a moose. What mo= st conservationists and naturalists seek is a good diversity of the forest = types and stages naturally occurring in a given area, since each stage and type has trees, shrubs, herbaceous plants= , birds and other animals adapted to it. All these stages are importa= nt to ensure biological diversity and to protect threatened species. &= nbsp; Old-growth forests may have less diversity of species than some others (edge habitats usually have the most diversity= ), but for those that live there they are essential, and our focus needs to= be on protecting them because they are the most endangered forest ecosyste= ms here and they take the longest to regenerate. Certainly there is no shortage of the early forest st= ages preferred by deer and moose. It seems that our forest managers a= re making some ef