Re[4]: [NatureNS] The Forest Funeral

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 17:47:46 -0300 (ADT)
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   <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">I agree Dave - Rural residents are not =
very wealthy.</span>
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   <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Their woodlot is important.<br/></span>
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   <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Today I walked to Stoddarts Meadow - no=
t a long walk about 1.2k<br/></span>
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   <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">along an old trail which wasn&#39;t too=
 hard to follow. Except at one point the beavers<br/></span>
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   <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">had built a dam so I got a little wadin=
g in.<br/></span>
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   <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">The area had no doubt been logged at on=
e time but has a good<br/></span>
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   <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">mixed growth at present. The interestin=
g point was an area of large pines<br/></span>
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   <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">both white and red. There were tall and=
 heavy logs but the distance between<br/></span>
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   <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">the trees was amazing. The tops meet bu=
t how many of the original trees<br/></span>
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   <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">remain I couldn&#39;t tell but 1% would=
 be a good guess. probably high.<br/></span>
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   <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Forests require thinning - no question.=
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   <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Enjoy the fall<br/></span>
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   <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Paul<br/></span>
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   <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">&#160;</span>
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   <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">&#160;</span>
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   On October 15, 2017 at 7:43 PM David &#60;dwebster@glinx.com&#62; wrote:
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    Hi Nick &#38; All,
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    &#160; &#160; A closed mind and hysteria are not favorable conditions f=
or a positive discussion; or for positive outcomes. &#160;
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    &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;I have two woodlots and have clearcut only when=
 it was the only practical choice; e.g. once only when all Spruce in some 5=
-10 acres that was predominantly Spruce suddenly shed needles early in the =
summer of 2000; felled by chainsaw and extracted by porter. I requested tha=
t hardwood be spared whenever possible (it all was) and that the porter be =
used only when the soil was dry (there was zero soil disturbance).&#160;
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    &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;That turned out well. There was some annual cov=
er that same year (drawing on memory) but starting early in the following y=
ear there was a vigorous cover of &#160;insect friendly annual and perennia=
l plants except where prevented by hardwood trees (e.g. shoulder high Solid=
ago sp by late summer). One White Birch grew so rapidly that the bark split=
 at the base. To judge from subsequent growth of spared hardwood and seeded=
 trees there was zero leaching loss. &#160;
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    &#160; &#160;&#160;But I know that clearcutting happens a great deal. O=
ne of the reasons is economic. I suspect that depopulation of rural areas i=
s another because if you have to migrate to find work then selling the fami=
ly woodlot for a song may be your only option. Spruce trees near Kentville =
are unthrifty to put it mildly and this may be true elsewhere. Is the rush =
to cut perhaps driven by the emergence or fear of tree decline ?&#160;
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    &#160; &#160; I don&#39;t advocate clearcutting as the way to go but if=
 you wish to change industry practices then it is desirable to find out why=
 it has become so widespread. Selective cutting is practical for the hobby =
firewood cutter, e.g. DW, and just possible commercially given UNUSUALLY fa=
vorable circumstances. Otherwise it is a great way to make a large loss, as=
 I learned in 2002 when we horse logged selectively.&#160;
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    &#160; &#160; I had an opportunity to try selective cutting about 2003 =
using a tree harvester with (as I recall) an 18&#39; reach. The approach wa=
s to cut 9&#39; travel ways (in about 20 acres of overstocked woods) every =
36&#39;, protect soil of the travel ways with trash wood and selectively cu=
t the remainder using the tree harvester, I agreed, had a sleepless night a=
nd to my everlasting regret backed out. My harvester friend said &#34;Dave,=
 if you don&#39;t thin these trees they will all die&#34; As it turned out =
he was entirely correct and I missed an opportunity to test a possible cost=
 effective way to thin overstocked woodland.
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    Yt, DW, Kentville
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    ------ Original Message ------
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    From: &#34;Nick Hill&#34; &#60;
    fernhillns@gmail.com&#62;
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    naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
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    Sent: 10/15/2017 5:31:39 PM
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    Subject: Re: Re[2]: [NatureNS] The Forest Funeral
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    &#160;
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       The argument that clearcut is good for wildlife is able to be made i=
n a mosaic of mature and disturbed habitat. Where we have clearcut and reco=
very from clearcut being the principal land class, one cannot argue for the=
 value of clearcut.
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       Where clearcut is used in rapid succession every 60 years or less, t=
he soil nutrient base becomes depleted. Where that occurs there are ecosyst=
em impacts as well as trophic level implications as browse for herbivores w=
ill become less nutritious in terms of mineral nutrients.
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       Nova Scotia still has forest. PEI does not. New Brunswick is being i=
ntensively managed. Nova Scotia could choose to get out of the forest as a =
short-term source of funds and could become a green Vermont of the Maritime=
s. We have the tradition of the guides of the north woods and lovely rivers=
. No one comes for clearcuts. Clearcut forestry cannot survive without addi=
tion of human sewage compost. Why not develop a forestry based on longer ro=
tations that uses true selection cutting and results in working landscapes =
whose productivity and thought make people&#39;s minds register beauty rath=
er than out for a quick buck sadness?
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       On Oct 15, 2017 4:45 PM, &#34;
       <a href=3D"mailto:rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca">rita.paul@ns.sympatico.=
ca</a>&#34; &#60;
       <a href=3D"mailto:rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca">rita.paul@ns.sympatico.=
ca</a>&#62; wrote:
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          Good point Dave! Folks travelling on the 103 should
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          remember that paving is in progress about exit 5a. Delays can be =
length!
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          Take my word from experience!
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          An old saying in BC Dave &#34;The Axe comes before the Moose&#34;
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          summarizes it nicely.
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          Enjoy the Autumn
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          Paul
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          &#160;
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          On October 15, 2017 at 2:46 PM David &#60;
          dwebster@glinx.com&#62;=
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           Hi All,
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           &#160; &#160; It is interesting that this mock funeral will incr=
ease highway traffic (briefly) because the expansion of highways, especiall=
y of the 101 series, has destroyed a huge chunk of potential forest land an=
d taken a much larger bite out of small animal habitat/population. Even a 1=
0&#34; high gravel ridge is a barrier to snake travel and the huge cuts and=
 fills associated with the 101 series has fragmented Reptile and Amphibian =
habitat much as a sledge hammer can fragment a fragile glass container.&#16=
0;
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           &#160; &#160;The idea that Moose need mature forest is not sound=
. I have never hunted Moose but have several times hunted Deer in upland co=
untry where Moose were also present. Moose sign were consistently very spar=
se in mature woodland (as in got to get through this wasteland) and abundan=
t in nearby clearcut regrowth. In recent times Moose reached the coast in B=
C. Mature forest had acted as a barrier to travel and logging generated the=
 food friendly means to travel from inland areas to the coast.
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           &#160; &#160; It has been my experience that woodland, flattened=
 by clearcut or Spruce Budworm, becomes very good wildlife habitat within 1=
0 years and sometimes 1-2 if hardwoods are involved.&#160; Has this changed=
 ? Are recent clearcuts not growing back ?
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           YT, DW Kentville
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           &#160;
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           ------ Original Message ------
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           From: &#34;Donna Crossland&#34; &#60;=20
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</a>&#62;
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ca</a>
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           Sent: 10/15/2017 12:25:54 PM
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           Subject: Re: [NatureNS] The Forest Funeral
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            <p>Thanks, Paul for reminding everyone-</p>=20
            <p>The Forest Funeral is a ceremony to both celebrate the life =
of the Acadian Forest, and also to mourn its great losses in Nova Scotia, p=
articularly in recent years.</p>=20
            <p><strong>Old Man Luedecke </strong>is going to sing <strong>&=
#34;Sad as a Forest</strong>&#34;, a marvelous song.&#160; Lee Keating, an =
early logger, woodsman, and guide is driving all the way from Clyde River t=
o sing his song about forest progress (pointing to the great progress to th=
e feller buncher over the axe...).&#160; We have an array of amazing people=
 who will say a few words in ode to our great Acadian forest.&#160; Soren B=
ondrup-Nielsen will offer a lament to forest wildlife; those species that s=
uffer when forests are clearcut, removing critical food sources and shelter=
 along with the wood (which is mostly going for chips from 40-50 year old s=
tands).&#160; Bob Bancroft is going to deliver a gripping Eulogy.&#160; I h=
ear there will be moose, fisher, marten, and forest birds in attendance.&#1=
60; Where have you ever attended a funeral with those present? &#160; It on=
ly makes sense to pay respects to these species, since the critical loss of=
 mature forests have caused the demise of these and other wildlife species.=
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            <p>It&#39;s quite&#160; legacy we are leaving to our children.&=
#160;&#160;</p>=20
            <p>People drive for hours to attend funerals of loved ones.&#16=
0; Do we &#34;love&#34; our forests and wildlife, or not?</p>=20
            <p>Donna Crossland (Funeral to take place at ~ 1 PM at Province=
 House.)</p>=20
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             On 2017-10-15 11:28 AM,=20
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atico.ca</a> wrote:
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              Hi All
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              Thursday the 19th is the day for the Funeral of Nova Scotia F=
orests.
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              Some fellows had booked me for the day to view some NS rivers=
 so
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              as I can&#39;t 2 places at once I need send my regrets. Diffi=
cult enough
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              doing something useful in one place!
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              The Global warming, CO2 thing has far reaching effects. Some =
folks are even
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              making plans to move to Mars if we don&#39;t stop using fossi=
l fuels. But Biomass, wood
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              and so on are not counted against the CO2 immersions - count =
as renewables. which
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              they are but they may take a while to renew. In the meantime =
our woods get chopped
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              to the ground. Even the Lord Mayor of London England is takin=
g action. He doesn&#39;t
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              like the smoke but he has a more scientific term for it. Stra=
nge bedfellows - the protestors
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              in Halifax and the Lord Mayor!
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              Anyway I hope those of you who are so inclined will take the =
opportunity
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              to express your feelings.
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              Have a nice fall
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              Paul
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