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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01F3_01D2BA83.D123C470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brown trout do not devour every frog and toad on lake edges or bite = chunks out of fish, that I know of. They don=E2=80=99t have the same = invasive capacity to permanently alter the entire aquatic system. They = seem to be able to co-exist, though there are likely impacts that I am = not aware of, not being a fish biologist. Perhaps others can shed some = light. =20 =20 I saw my first brown trout in 1995 when a neighbour caught one out of = Kouchibouguac River. It was large and he thought first he had a = =E2=80=98black salmon=E2=80=99. There=E2=80=99s still salmon, striped = bass and a good trout population in that river. That won=E2=80=99t = likely be the case if some misguided soul dumps in chain pickerel. =20 Donna =20 =20 From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca = [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Hubcove@aol.com Sent: April-21-17 8:02 AM To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: Re: [NatureNS] managing invasives and naturalised species-why = do we do it? =20 I always find it interesting that the chain pickerel comes up often as = an invasive species but I have yet to see any complaints or comments on = brown trout. Peter Stow Hubbards =20 In a message dated 2017-04-21 5:40:00 A.M. Atlantic Daylight Time, = dcrossland@eastlink.ca writes: I have to give you credit in your strategic thinking and knowledgeable = depth of retrospective! If only certain departments would manage these = fisheries, they might soon be over-fished and the ecological nightmare created by = naive or selfish sports fisheries could be mitigated somewhat. Why IS there a = bag limit on any invasive fish?? =20 Then again, I suppose we could extend this argument to the bag limits = for ring-necked pheasant (noisy squawking birds, though tasty... but not = better than our woodcock and grouse) and the naturalized deer (deer that incur great damage to our hardwood stands, Canada Yew (with Cancer-fighting agents), etc, impacting the successional trajectory of our natural = forests, yet we spend a lot of tax dollars managing the herd and bag limits = geared to keep them around). I'll take a moose steak any day over venison. =20 Maybe we can add it to the election platform soon to unfold. I think we need an entire ecologically-based political platform in the next round. = Our natural resources and native biodiversity are in trouble, both on the = land and in the water. Then there's climate change added to the mix... = ecology is "messy" and growing more complicated. Donna -----Original Message----- From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca = [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of John and Nhung Sent: April-19-17 7:52 AM To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: RE: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty tidbits My point was that if more people recognize pickerel as tasty, more = people will eat them (rather than throwing them back, for instance!). =20 I wish NS Fisheries would lift the "bag" limit on smallmouth bass, as = well. They are another disaster that doesn=E2=80=99t belong here. But here = they are. Enthusiastically-pursued fisheries have a long history of reducing = target populations ...=20 -----Original Message----- From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca = [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Donna Crossland Sent: April 19, 2017 7:29 AM To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: RE: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty tidbits Oh goodness! I meant the GEESE are tasty, not than the chain pickerel! = No, no, no! Perhaps the pickerel are tasty, too, but you'll not likely ever = hear me say anything positive with regards to that species. I am dismayed by = the introduction of chain pickerel to our lakes. The small mouthed bass and chain pickerel are altering our fresh water ecosystems in profound ways. = I am told we can expect nearly "silent springs" as they voraciously = consume our frogs and toads on the lake edges. They are about to spread to the = last wild places remaining. It's sad, very sad. We shall mourn the trout = and remnant salmon populations. Donna Crossland -----Original Message----- From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca = [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Hebda, Andrew J Sent: April-18-17 10:15 PM To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: RE: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty tidbits The taste and angling value of the pickerel is high... However its introduction into watershed has been disasterous. Back in 1949 Dan Livingstone sampled lakes and rivers in Nova Scotia, = coming up with the first comprehensive list of freshwater fish for the = province. John Gilhen and I were joined by him 50 years later and we re-sampled = many of the same bodies of water. Where the chain pickerel had been = introduced, or spread to, the diversity of fish went from 7-11 species to 2-3.. independent of water chemistry, geology or any other measurable factor =20 A Hebda From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] on behalf of John and Nhung [nhungjohn@eastlink.ca] Sent: April-18-17 9:58 PM To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: RE: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty tidbits I wish more Nova Scotians appreciated pickerel. The Vietnamese gang = down Yarmouth way turns this ugly-looking critter into various dishes, all infinitely more interesting than haddock! -----Original Message----- From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca = [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Donna Crossland Sent: April 18, 2017 8:50 PM To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty tidbits That's a hilarious (well sort of) tale of the widowed urban goose. She likely few back to Toronto? I'm with Lance and the Cape Bretoners. This expanding species is quite delicious baked in orange juice, wild rice and cranberries, etc. Now if only I could acquire a taste for glossy buckthorn salad. Donna -----Original Message----- From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca = [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Fred Schueler Sent: April-18-17 12:43 PM To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh KIngfisher On 4/18/2017 11:11 AM, Laviolette, Lance wrote: > =E2=80=9CTruck loads from TO=E2=80=9D reminds me of a story... * ...on our 2002 James Bay Expedition - http://pinicola.ca/g2003b.htm - = we found a very tame single Canada Goose at a boatlunch ramp way north in Quebec - and the sad story we told was that she'd mated with a northern Quebec male during the winter, had followed him north, and he'd been = taken out by the spring Goose hunt, leaving her an urban widow in the = wilderness. fred. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > ...Paul. About 40 years ago > there was an effort made to =E2=80=98reintroduce=E2=80=99 Canada Geese = in Cape Breton=20 > near CBHNP. They trucked in a bunch o