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> One group wanted to introduce Wild Turkeys
Hi Peter
Where Brown trout have been introduced, there seems to be some displacement of other fish species, but no evident elimination of the, Although the two strains were introduced here in the late 19th century, they have not expanded their range as dramatically (and quickly) as the chain pickerel. A friend who was doing fish monitoring in Cape Breton noted one large pool where he found 4 species of salmonids, partitioning the pool based on size. Atlantic Salmon, Brook Trout, Rainbow Trout and Brown Trout. I suspect you would not encounter that with the pickerel.
As an aside, in the work I am doing on the new fish book, I came across salmon stocking records for Nova Scotia in 1879. The Bedford Fish Hatchery was noted to have released 1,7400,00 fry and planted 1,400,000 eggs,, for a total of fish planted since its inception of 4,535,00 fry... so perhaps our fish genetics may be a bit more variable than we thought. (note that they had only released Atlantic Salmon to that point)
Andrew
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From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] on behalf of Hubcove@aol.com [Hubcove@aol.com]
Sent: April-21-17 8:02 AM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] managing invasives and naturalised species-why do we do it?
I always find it interesting that the chain pickerel comes up often as an invasive species but I have yet to see any complaints or comments on brown trout.
Peter Stow
Hubbards
In a message dated 2017-04-21 5:40:00 A.M. Atlantic Daylight Time, dcrossland@eastlink.ca writes:
I have to give you credit in your strategic thinking and knowledgeable depth
of retrospective! If only certain departments would manage these fisheries,
they might soon be over-fished and the ecological nightmare created by naive
or selfish sports fisheries could be mitigated somewhat. Why IS there a bag
limit on any invasive fish??
Then again, I suppose we could extend this argument to the bag limits for
ring-necked pheasant (noisy squawking birds, though tasty... but not better
than our woodcock and grouse) and the naturalized deer (deer that incur
great damage to our hardwood stands, Canada Yew (with Cancer-fighting
agents), etc, impacting the successional trajectory of our natural forests,
yet we spend a lot of tax dollars managing the herd and bag limits geared to
keep them around). I'll take a moose steak any day over venison.
Maybe we can add it to the election platform soon to unfold. I think we
need an entire ecologically-based political platform in the next round. Our
natural resources and native biodiversity are in trouble, both on the land
and in the water. Then there's climate change added to the mix... ecology
is "messy" and growing more complicated.
Donna
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From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]
On Behalf Of John and Nhung
Sent: April-19-17 7:52 AM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty tidbits
My point was that if more people recognize pickerel as tasty, more people
will eat them (rather than throwing them back, for instance!).
I wish NS Fisheries would lift the "bag" limit on smallmouth bass, as well.
They are another disaster that doesn’t belong here. But here they are.
Enthusiastically-pursued fisheries have a long history of reducing target
populations ...
-----Original Message-----
From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]
On Behalf Of Donna Crossland
Sent: April 19, 2017 7:29 AM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty tidbits
Oh goodness! I meant the GEESE are tasty, not than the chain pickerel! No,
no, no! Perhaps the pickerel are tasty, too, but you'll not likely ever hear
me say anything positive with regards to that species. I am dismayed by the
introduction of chain pickerel to our lakes. The small mouthed bass and
chain pickerel are altering our fresh water ecosystems in profound ways. I
am told we can expect nearly "silent springs" as they voraciously consume
our frogs and toads on the lake edges. They are about to spread to the last
wild places remaining. It's sad, very sad. We shall mourn the trout and
remnant salmon populations.
Donna Crossland
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From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]
On Behalf Of Hebda, Andrew J
Sent: April-18-17 10:15 PM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty tidbits
The taste and angling value of the pickerel is high... However its
introduction into watershed has been disasterous.
Back in 1949 Dan Livingstone sampled lakes and rivers in Nova Scotia, coming
up with the first comprehensive list of freshwater fish for the province.
John Gilhen and I were joined by him 50 years later and we re-sampled many
of the same bodies of water. Where the chain pickerel had been introduced,
or spread to, the diversity of fish went from 7-11 species to 2-3..
independent of water chemistry, geology or any other measurable factor
A Hebda
From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] on
behalf of John and Nhung [nhungjohn@eastlink.ca]
Sent: April-18-17 9:58 PM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty tidbits
I wish more Nova Scotians appreciated pickerel. The Vietnamese gang down
Yarmouth way turns this ugly-looking critter into various dishes, all
infinitely more interesting than haddock!
-----Original Message-----
From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]
On Behalf Of Donna Crossland
Sent: April 18, 2017 8:50 PM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty tidbits
That's a hilarious (well sort of) tale of the widowed urban goose. She
likely few back to Toronto?
I'm with Lance and the Cape Bretoners. This expanding species is quite
delicious baked in orange juice, wild rice and cranberries, etc. Now if
only I could acquire a taste for glossy buckthorn salad.
Donna
-----Original Message-----
From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]
On Behalf Of Fred Schueler
Sent: April-18-17 12:43 PM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh KIngfisher
On 4/18/2017 11:11 AM, Laviolette, Lance wrote:
> “Truck loads from TO” reminds me of a story...
* ...on our 2002 James Bay Expedition - http://pinicola.ca/g2003b.htm - we
found a very tame single Canada Goose at a boatlunch ramp way north in
Quebec - and the sad story we told was that she'd mated with a northern
Quebec male during the winter, had followed him north, and he'd been taken
out by the spring Goose hunt, leaving her an urban widow in the wilderness.
fred.
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> ...Paul. About 40 years ago
> there was an effort made to ‘reintroduce’ Canada Geese in Cape Breton
> near CBHNP. They trucked in a bunch of TO geese and let them loose on
> a lake. Now these geese were quite use to humans having been rounded
> up in the friendly confines of the TO shoreline. It wasn’t long before
> the local residents of that area of CB realized that. There was good
> eating in those parts while the geese lasted…
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>
>
> Cheers,
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>
>
> Lance
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>
>
> *Lance Laviolette*
>
> Glen Robertson, Ontario
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> *From:*naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] *On Behalf Of
> *rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca
> *Sent:* Monday, April 17, 2017 8:26 AM
> *To:* naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh KIngfisher
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> Isn't it fun about the Canada Geese Doug?
>
> One group wanted to introduce Wild Turkeys and
>
> all the Naturalists got against it - made plenty of noise
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> so WT went away.
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> Another group wanted non migratory Canada Geese so
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> they learned from the WT fiasco and just brought a couple of
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> truck loads from TO and let them go - no fuss - no muss!
>
> Now they are in every puddle around and the Naturalists
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> love them! Things work in wonderful ways!
>
> Enjoy the spring
>
> Paul
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>
>> On April 16, 2017 at 11:17 PM Doug Linzey <doug@fundymud.com
> <mailto:doug@fundymud.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> This afternoon at Miner's Marsh, a kingfisher and an impressive
>> number of Tree Swallows. We watched a pair of Canada Geese mating
>> (I'd never witnessed the preceding head-bobbing routine before). And
>> a lone Pied-billed Grebe was calling somewhat plaintively, clearly in
>> search of a mate.
>>
>> Doug Linzey
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