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Hi Paul & All,
I may have some of the details scrambled but back about 1980 =
Dartmouth intended to incinerate garbage as a means of disposal and to =
generate heat/power. Mob rule shut off that tap.
For many decades in the vicinity of London (?) UK, organic waste =
including food waste not suitable for hogs was composted and was very =
popular with farmers of the area. When I was part of a rubber-stamp =
Waste Disposal committee I asked the consultants to consider this but =
was told the public would object.
About 1980 a report was published about waste disposal in one of the =
major cities in Holland. It was in English I think and entitled =
something like 30 years of successful waste processing. As I recall they =
used or recycled everything. Compostables went to one stream, =
Combustables to another for power generation, metals were removed and =
sorted mostly by machine, concrete, bricks and rocks were crushed for =
highway construction...
But if you have a mob shouting sound ideas down then sound =
management goes by the wayside.
Yt, DW
. ----- Original Message -----=20
From: rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca=20
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Re: star-nosed moles
Well said Dave.=20
Something I always wonder about is that bio-mass aka wood can be=20
burnt to create green electricity whereas garbage must be landfilled.=20
A simple fellow like me thinks if burning wood doesn't harm the=20
environment how come garbage does?=20
Enjoy the January thaw=20
Paul=20
On January 26, 2016 at 3:49 PM David & Alison Webster =
<dwebster@glinx.com> wrote:=20
Hi Folks, Jan 26, 2016=20
The onus is on those who lead a crusade to be sure their map is =
correct, to check that they are not holding it upside down and to learn =
how to read a map. And if regulations are the product of this crusade =
then those regulations should above all be well founded and advisable.=20
=20
The poor folks at NS Environment, and their warehouses of =
regulations are a good example; mostly smoke, mirrors and a pathetic =
grasp of the environment.=20
I may have the story wrong but I think they were involved in the =
long-drawn out investigation of the association between Mink Fur Farms =
and the mysterious blooms of N-fixing algae. That phrase alone--" blooms =
of N-fixing algae" is enough to turn on that blinking lamp that says =
phosphorus. The last I heard, the 19th century news that phosphate moves =
poorly in mineral soils had still not been digested.=20
=20
Picking up Doggy-do is reasonable in some locations; say at a =
public picnic table. But bagging it plastic for landfill disposal is =
wrong on two counts; nutrients should be recycled not isolated and =
eventually everything leaks. That modern and very expensive pride of =
waste disposal, the lined and capped landfill is a ticking time bomb =
that will yield grief to some future generation. And this sort of thing =
happens largely because the votes of 11 ignorant people carry more =
weight than the votes of 10 who are informed.=20
=20
Made in NS Biosolids apparently stink and consequently come with =
much regulatory baggage. Do it right, using the Beltsville process =
developed about 1975, and there is no stink or need for regulation. =
Provided somebody does not start using it as a base for canned iced tea. =
=20
We recently spent about $500 million in the Sydney Tar Ponds to =
encapsulate what amounts to roofing tar; all so our glorious leaders =
could demonstrate beyond doubt that they "took the problem seriously" =
and to carefully follow the applicable regulations.=20
=20
Yt, DW=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Sollows=20
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:43 PM=20
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Re: star-nosed moles=20
=20
I agree, Fritz. Ya gotta have both the education and the =
regulations, wiht the education coming first, normally. That way, the =
rational, sensible folks see the light and support initiatives they =
otherwise may ignore or oppose. =20
=20
I wonder how many good initiatives got/get shot down because too =
few people got/get it...=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Fritz McEvoy=20
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:20 PM=20
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Re: star-nosed moles=20
=20
Hi All,
Education is certainly part of the solution but so are =
strong regulations. The real solution is to make not properly =
controlling your cat and/or antisocial ATV behavior socially =
unacceptable much as was done for cleaning up after your dog, drinking =
and driving and/or smoking in public or around children. It won't be an =
easy thing to do and it could take decades to succeed (and there will =
always be those who think rules only apply to others) but it can be =
done. All the best.
Fritz McEvoy=20
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From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca =
<naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on behalf of David & Alison Webster =
<dwebster@glinx.com>
Sent: January 26, 2016 11:03 AM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Re: star-nosed moles=20
=20
Hi Nick & All, Jan 26, 2016=20
I agree Nick. Public education beats laws & law enforcement =
hands down. I have faith that informed people will on average make =
prudent choices which fit their immediate circumstances better than any =
regulation can.=20
This may be a bias on my part but it seems that people are =
most out of touch with reality when acting collectively [TNR, war =
against chickens in town, Material Safety Data Sheets] and usually able =
to make sensible choices when not exposed to misinformation overload or =
hamstrung by regulations.=20
And it takes so long to get a "turn left" regulation in =
place that by the time it becomes effective a "turn right" regulation =
will often be urgently needed.=20
=20
Yt, DW, Kentville=20
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Nicholas Hill=20
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 9:13 AM=20
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Re: star-nosed moles=20
=20
No, but it is silly to think we can legislate that every cat =
stays indoors, even those of owners who tend their cats, feed birds at =
feeders our of reach of cats, bring in cats when there are obvious birds =
around, bring them in at night, leave long grass for meadow spp., leave =
brush piles for refuge..=20
=20
Before I get a cease and desist, make sure we are solving the =
most egregious cases: ferals, unneutereds, barns full. It's all about =
doing what we can and being models, not waving sticks. Our cats have =
taken shrews mice and voles but no evidence of birds.=20
=20
How about starting with cat control (barns, neutering, =
confiscation of feral cats) and moving into education..what you can =
do...not a No Cats outside ever rule? Then we look at the data. Does any =
one have the detailed report on results and methodology of the CWS =
study? =20
=20
This is a good thread..threats facing birds, valuable =
biodiversity and ecological indicator. =20
=20
Nick=20
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Randy Lauff =
<randy.lauff@gmail.com> wrote:=20
But Nick, something so preventable, and easily =
preventable...to save so much wildlife.=20
=20
It is not silly.=20
=20
Randy=20
_________________________________=20
RF Lauff=20
Way in the boonies of=20
Antigonish County, NS.=20
On 26 January 2016 at 08:34, Nicholas Hill =
<fernhillns@gmail.com> wrote:=20
Darrell, Randy=20
we cant lock everyone up who drives ATVs, who leaves cars =
idling, who cuts down trees unnecessarily, who doesn't pick up after =
their dog, who has the thermostat set at 78F, who cuts grass rather than =
has a biodiverse butterfly garden.=20
=20
This is silly=20
=20
Nick=20
On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:26 PM, =
<darrell@abolitphotos.ca> wrote:=20
For some reason, cats will kill star-nosed moles and =
plenty of them but they won't eat them. I wonder why, there must be a =
reason, maybe a scent gland.
I'm not sure why people think that keeping cats in at =
night will cure the problem, maybe lessen it by 1/4. The true cure is to =
not allow housecats to roam free, (same law as for dogs) they must be in =
a pen, leash or under control, the same as any other pet. This will near =
totally cure the problem.
Coyotes love the taste of cats, our DNR found 3 cat =
collars in one coyote stomach. I think that if people really do love =
their cats, they would contain them so not to get run over or ate. I =
don't believe people think about them be eaten though.
Housecats are a problem in the rural areas, the same as =
they are anywhere else. A roaming cat kills no matter where it resides. =
I know of two different houses that have about 15 cats each, lovely, =
just xxxxxxx lovely. The best way to get rid of mice is to trap them, =
rats too. Cats will not tacke full grown rats, seen them run from them, =
baby rats maybe. Education and law is what is needed. It seems there is =
some sort of left over scare from the black plague to allow cats to roam =
and kill at will. Be known that the cats just spread the plague further =
by hosting fleas.
It is past time to make it law to contain your pets, all =
pets, no exceptions. Only then will this problem be solved and not =
until.
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On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:27:59 -0400, David Currie =
<david_currie@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
Hi All=20
=20
We sometimes get caught up with the estimated numbers =
quoted from EC or others as being totally accurate for some reason, =
though always expressed in an estimate or within a certain range. I =
don=E2=80=99t have to tell this group that science is based on fact with =
those facts extrapolated to give us some idea. Cod numbers, seal =
numbers, feral cat numbers etc. to make a comparison. Is the number of =
birds really that important other than it=E2=80=99 a lot and getting =
worse as free-roaming cats increase? Don=E2=80=99t we think that if we =
lose 350 million or 100 or 70 million land birds/small animals to cats =
in Canada a year, it=E2=80=99s too many when we can avoid it? Do we =
always have to complain about collisions, habitat destruction etc. to =
lessen the guilt we have about our pet cat?=20
=20
This is a human issue of attitude and it is important =
that we become more responsible for our cats as we have with dogs. Cats =
are doing what they are built to hunt extremely effectively and we are =
contributing to aiding an invasive species that has a direct impact on =
our natural wildlife. Relegating our pet cats to the house =
doesn=E2=80=99t mean a life in the closet, and from what I understand =
from my friends, it develops a better =E2=80=9Cpet experience=E2=80=9D =
where they are not killed, shot at, poisoned, scarred or lost. On the =
wildlife side, we humans need to take some responsibility here and quit =
hiding behind the , my cat is =E2=80=9Ctoo old=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Ctoo =
fat=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cdoesn=E2=80=99t climb trees=E2=80=9D, is a =
=E2=80=9Cbush cat=E2=80=9D, (I=E2=80=99ve heard that one) and =
=E2=80=9Cnever brings anything home=E2=80=9D attitude that relieves them =
of the guilt they have.=20
=20
If we talk to the trap and neuter people, which I =
have, they are experiencing a huge growth of unwanted cats in NS, there =
are no resources to deal with it and a public attitude that pretty much =
encourages dumping them. Burnside Park in Dartmouth, the TN people say, =
has 1000 feral cats at a minimum as the SPCA (located there) has no room =
so the people open the car door and abandon them right there. They told =
me you could set a trap anywhere there and catch animals daily.=20
=20
I suppose some roaming cats may very well develop a =
taste for rodents, and I guess selective enough to not include, =
chipmunks, young hare, meadow voles, Star-nosed Moles, amphibians or =
birds given the opportunity but we humans seem to believe that cats, in =
order to enjoy their lives, need to be outdoors. I am encouraged to see =
Vancouver take a stand.=20
=20
ps...can someone tell me why keeping cats inside at =
night is an answer to the problem or is that point so the cat =
doesn=E2=80=99t get hurt as easily? =20
=20
David Currie =20
=20
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<DIV>Hi Paul & All,</DIV>
<DIV> I may have some of the details scrambled but =
back about=20
1980 Dartmouth intended to incinerate garbage as a means of disposal and =
to=20
generate heat/power. Mob rule shut off that tap.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> For many decades in the vicinity of London (?) =
UK,=20
organic waste including food waste not suitable for hogs was composted =
and was=20
very popular with farmers of the area. When I was part of a rubber-stamp =
Waste=20
Disposal committee I asked the consultants to consider this but was told =
the=20
public would object.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> About 1980 a report was published about waste =
disposal=20
in one of the major cities in Holland. It was in English I think and =
entitled=20
something like 30 years of successful waste processing. As I recall they =
used=20
or recycled everything. Compostables went to one stream, =
Combustables to=20
another for power generation, metals were removed and sorted mostly by =
machine,=20
concrete, bricks and rocks were crushed for highway =
construction...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> But if you have a mob shouting sound ideas down =
then=20
sound management goes by the wayside.</DIV>
<DIV>Yt, DW</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">. ----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Drita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca">rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 26, 2016 =
4:53=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] Re: =
star-nosed=20
moles</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Well said Dave. </DIV>
<DIV>Something I always wonder about is that bio-mass aka wood can be =
</DIV>
<DIV>burnt to create green electricity whereas garbage must be =
landfilled.=20
</DIV>
<DIV>A simple fellow like me thinks if burning wood doesn't harm the =
</DIV>
<DIV>environment how come garbage does? </DIV>
<DIV>Enjoy the January thaw </DIV>
<DIV>Paul </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"POSITION: relative; BORDER-LEFT: blue 1px solid; =
PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px"=20
type=3D"cite">On January 26, 2016 at 3:49 PM David & Alison =
Webster <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com">dwebster@glinx.com</A>> wrote: =
<BR><BR>
<DIV>Hi Folks, =
=20
Jan 26, 2016 </DIV>
<DIV> The onus is on those who lead a crusade to =
be sure=20
their map is correct, to check that they are not holding it upside =
down=20
and to learn how to read a map. And if regulations are =
the=20
product of this crusade then those regulations should above all =
be well=20
founded and advisable. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> The poor folks at NS Environment, and=20
their warehouses of regulations are a good example; mostly =
smoke,=20
mirrors and a pathetic grasp of the environment. </DIV>
<DIV>I may have the story wrong but I think they were involved in =
the=20
long-drawn out investigation of the association between Mink Fur =
Farms and=20
the mysterious blooms of N-fixing algae. That phrase alone--" <SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: #ff0000">blooms of N-fixing algae</SPAN>" is enough =
to turn on=20
that blinking lamp that says phosphorus. The last I heard, the 19th =
century=20
news that phosphate moves poorly in mineral soils had still not been =
digested. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Picking up Doggy-do is reasonable in =
some=20
locations; say at a public picnic table. But bagging it plastic for=20
landfill disposal is wrong on two counts; nutrients should be =
recycled=20
not isolated and eventually everything leaks. That modern and very=20
expensive pride of waste disposal, the lined and capped=20
landfill is a ticking time bomb that will yield grief to some =
future=20
generation. And this sort of thing happens largely because the votes =
of 11=20
ignorant people carry more weight than the votes of 10 who are =
informed.=20
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Made in NS Biosolids apparently stink and=20
consequently come with much regulatory baggage. Do it right, using =
the=20
Beltsville process developed about 1975, and there is no stink or =
need for=20
regulation. Provided somebody does not start using it as a base for =
canned=20
iced tea. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> We recently spent about $500 million in the =
Sydney=20
Tar Ponds to encapsulate what amounts to roofing tar; all so our =
glorious=20
leaders could demonstrate beyond doubt that they "took the problem=20
seriously" and to carefully follow the applicable regulations. =
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Yt, DW </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-size-adjust: =
none; font-stretch: normal; font-color: black"><STRONG>From:</STRONG>=20
John Sollows </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: =
normal"><STRONG>To:</STRONG>=20
<A =
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: =
normal"><STRONG>Sent:</STRONG>=20
Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:43 PM </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: =
normal"><STRONG>Subject:</STRONG>=20
Re: [NatureNS] Re: star-nosed moles </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small">I agree, =
Fritz. Ya=20
gotta have both the education and the regulations, wiht the =
education=20
coming first, normally. That way, the rational, sensible =
folks see=20
the light and support initiatives they otherwise may ignore or=20
oppose. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small">I wonder =
how many=20
good initiatives got/get shot down because too few people got/get=20
it...</SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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<DIV=20
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normal">-----=20
Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; =
font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font-color: =
black"><STRONG>From:</STRONG>=20
Fritz McEvoy =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: =
normal"><STRONG>To:</STRONG>=20
<A =
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: =
normal"><STRONG>Sent:</STRONG>=20
Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:20 PM </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: =
normal"><STRONG>Subject:</STRONG>=20
Re: [NatureNS] Re: star-nosed moles </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff; FONT-FAMILY: =
Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"=20
id=3Ddivtagdefaultwrapper>
<P>Hi All,</P>
<P> Education is certainly part of the solution but =
so are=20
strong regulations. The real solution is to make not=20
properly controlling =
your cat and/or antisocial ATV=20
behavior socially unacceptable much as was done for cleaning up =
after=20
your dog, drinking and driving and/or smoking in public or =
around=20
children. It won't be an easy thing to do and it =
could=20
take decades to succeed (and there will always be those who =
think=20
rules only apply to others) but it can be done. All =
the=20
best.</P>
<P> =
=20
Fritz McEvoy </P><BR><BR>
<DIV style=3D"COLOR: #000000">
<HR>
<DIV dir=3Dltr id=3DdivRplyFwdMsg><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: #000000; =
FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><STRONG>From:</STRONG>=20
naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca =
<naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on=20
behalf of David & Alison Webster=20
<dwebster@glinx.com><BR><STRONG>Sent:</STRONG> January 26, =
2016=20
11:03 AM<BR><STRONG>To:</STRONG>=20
naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<BR><STRONG>Subject:</STRONG> Re: =
[NatureNS] Re:=20
star-nosed moles</SPAN>=20
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Hi Nick & All, =20
=20
Jan 26, =
2016=20
</DIV>
<DIV> I agree Nick. Public education beats =
laws &=20
law enforcement hands down. I have faith that informed people =
will on=20
average make prudent choices which fit their immediate =
circumstances=20
better than any regulation can. </DIV>
<DIV> This may be a bias on my part but it =
seems that=20
people are most out of touch with reality when acting =
collectively [TNR,=20
war against chickens in town, Material Safety Data Sheets] and =
usually=20
able to make sensible choices when not exposed to misinformation =
overload or hamstrung by regulations. </DIV>
<DIV> And it takes so long to get a "turn =
left"=20
regulation in place that by the time it becomes effective a =
"turn right"=20
regulation will often be urgently needed. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Yt, DW, Kentville </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; =
font-stretch: normal">-----=20
Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; =
font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><STRONG>From:</STRONG>=20
Nicholas Hill =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; =
font-stretch: normal"><STRONG>To:</STRONG>=20
<A =
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A>=20
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style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; =
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Tuesday, January 26, 2016 9:13 AM </DIV>
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font-stretch: normal"><STRONG>Subject:</STRONG>=20
Re: [NatureNS] Re: star-nosed moles </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>No, but it is silly to think we can legislate =
that every=20
cat stays indoors, even those of owners who tend their cats, =
feed=20
birds at feeders our of reach of cats, bring in cats when =
there are=20
obvious birds around, bring them in at night, leave long grass =
for=20
meadow spp., leave brush piles for refuge..=20
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Before I get a cease and desist, make sure we are solving =
the=20
most egregious cases: ferals, unneutereds, barns full. It's =
all about=20
doing what we can and being models, not waving sticks. Our =
cats have=20
taken shrews mice and voles but no evidence of birds. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>How about starting with cat control (barns, neutering,=20
confiscation of feral cats) and moving into education..what =
you can=20
do...not a No Cats outside ever rule? Then we look at the =
data. Does=20
any one have the detailed report on results and methodology of =
the CWS=20
study? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This is a good thread..threats facing birds, valuable=20
biodiversity and ecological indicator. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Nick </DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_extra><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:53 AM, =
Randy Lauff=20
<SPAN><<A href=3D"mailto:randy.lauff@gmail.com"=20
target=3D_blank>randy.lauff@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote: =
<BR>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>But Nick, something so preventable, and =
easily=20
preventable...to save so much wildlife.=20
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It is not silly. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Randy </DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_extra><SPAN><SPAN><BR =
clear=3Dall></SPAN></SPAN>
<DIV>
<DIV>_________________________________ <BR>RF Lauff <BR>Way =
in the=20
boonies of <BR>Antigonish County, NS. </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3Dh5>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On 26 January 2016 at 08:34, =
Nicholas Hill=20
<SPAN><<A href=3D"mailto:fernhillns@gmail.com"=20
target=3D_blank>fernhillns@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote: =
<BR>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex">
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Darrell, Randy=20
<DIV>we cant lock everyone up who drives ATVs, who leaves =
cars=20
idling, who cuts down trees unnecessarily, who doesn't =
pick up=20
after their dog, who has the thermostat set at 78F, who =
cuts grass=20
rather than has a biodiverse butterfly garden. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This is silly </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Nick </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_extra><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:26 PM, =
<SPAN><<A href=3D"mailto:darrell@abolitphotos.ca"=20
target=3D_blank>darrell@abolitphotos.ca</A>></SPAN> =
wrote: <BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex">
<DIV>
<P=20
style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: =
0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">For=20
some reason, cats will kill star-nosed moles and plenty =
of=20
them but they won't eat them. I wonder why, =
there must=20
be a reason, maybe a scent gland.</P>
<P=20
style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: =
0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"> </P>
<P=20
style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: =
0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">I'm=20
not sure why people think that keeping cats in at night =
will=20
cure the problem, maybe lessen it by 1/4. The true cure =
is to=20
not allow housecats to roam free, (same law as for=20
dogs) they must be in a pen, leash or under=20
control, the same as any other pet. This will near =
totally=20
cure the problem.</P>
<P=20
style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: =
0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"> </P>
<P=20
style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: =
0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">Coyotes=20
love the taste of cats, our DNR found 3 cat collars in =
one=20
coyote stomach. I think that if people really do love =
their=20
cats, they would contain them so not to get run over or =
ate. I=20
don't believe people think about them be eaten =
though.</P>
<P=20
style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: =
0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"> </P>
<P=20
style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: =
0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">Housecats=20
are a problem in the rural areas, the same as they are =
anywhere=20
else. A roaming cat kills no matter where it =
resides. I=20
know of two different houses that have about 15 =
cats each,=20
lovely, just xxxxxxx lovely. The best way to get rid of =
mice is=20
to trap them, rats too. Cats will not tacke full grown =
rats,=20
seen them run from them, baby rats maybe. Education and =
law is=20
what is needed. It seems there is some sort of left over =
scare=20
from the black plague to allow cats to roam and =
kill at=20
will. Be known that the cats just spread the=20
plague further by hosting fleas.</P>
<P=20
style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: =
0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"> </P>
<P=20
style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: =
0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">It=20
is past time to make it law to contain your pets, all =
pets, no=20
exceptions. Only then will this problem be solved and =
not=20
until.</P>
<P=20
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0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"> </P>
<P=20
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0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"> </P>
<P=20
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0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"> </P>
<P=20
style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: =
0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: =
0px">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR><BR>On=20
Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:27:59 -0400, David Currie <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:david_currie@ns.sympatico.ca"=20
target=3D_blank>david_currie@ns.sympatico.ca</A>> =
wrote:</P>
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<DIV>Hi All </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We sometimes get caught up with the estimated =
numbers=20
quoted from EC or others as being totally accurate for =
some=20
reason, though always expressed in an estimate or =
within a=20
certain range. I don=E2=80=99t have to tell this group =
that science is=20
based on fact with those facts extrapolated to give us =
some=20
idea. Cod numbers, seal numbers, feral cat numbers =
etc. to=20
make a comparison. Is the number of birds really =
that=20
important other than it=E2=80=99 a lot and getting =
worse as=20
free-roaming cats increase? Don=E2=80=99t we =
think that if we=20
lose 350 million or 100 or 70 million land birds/small =
animals=20
to cats in Canada a year, it=E2=80=99s too many when =
we can avoid it?=20
Do we always have to complain about collisions, =
habitat=20
destruction etc. to lessen the guilt we have about our =
pet=20
cat? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This is a human issue of attitude and it is =
important=20
that we become more responsible for our cats as we =
have with=20
dogs. Cats are doing what they are built to hunt =
extremely=20
effectively and we are contributing to aiding an =
invasive=20
species that has a direct impact on our natural=20
wildlife. Relegating our pet cats to the house =
doesn=E2=80=99t=20
mean a life in the closet, and from what I understand =
from my=20
friends, it develops a better =E2=80=9Cpet =
experience=E2=80=9D where they are=20
not killed, shot at, poisoned, scarred or lost. On the =
wildlife side, we humans need to take some =
responsibility here=20
and quit hiding behind the , my cat is =E2=80=9Ctoo =
old=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Ctoo fat=E2=80=9D,=20
=E2=80=9Cdoesn=E2=80=99t climb trees=E2=80=9D, is a =
=E2=80=9Cbush cat=E2=80=9D, (I=E2=80=99ve heard that one)=20
and =E2=80=9Cnever brings anything home=E2=80=9D =
attitude that relieves them=20
of the guilt they have. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If we talk to the trap and neuter people, which I =
have,=20
they are experiencing a huge growth of unwanted cats =
in NS,=20
there are no resources to deal with it and a public =
attitude=20
that pretty much encourages dumping them. Burnside =
Park in=20
Dartmouth, the TN people say, has 1000 feral cats at a =
minimum=20
as the SPCA (located there) has no room so the people =
open the=20
car door and abandon them right there. They told me =
you could=20
set a trap anywhere there and catch animals daily. =
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I suppose some roaming cats may very well develop =
a taste=20
for rodents, and I guess selective enough to not =
include,=20
chipmunks, young hare, meadow voles, Star-nosed Moles, =
amphibians or birds given the opportunity but we =
humans seem=20
to believe that cats, in order to enjoy their lives, =
need to=20
be outdoors. I am encouraged to see Vancouver take a =
stand.=20
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>ps...can someone tell me why keeping cats inside =
at night=20
is an answer to the problem or is that point so the =
cat=20
doesn=E2=80=99t get hurt as easily? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>David Currie=20
<DIV=20
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FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: =
normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none">=20
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<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">=20
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