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Hi All,
Education is certainly part of the solution but so are strong regulatio=
ns. The real solution is to make not properly controlling your cat and/or a=
ntisocial ATV behavior socially unacceptable much as was done for cleaning =
up after your dog, drinking and driving and/or smoking in public or around =
children. It won't be an easy thing to do and it could take decades to succ=
eed (and there will always be those who think rules only apply to others) b=
ut it can be done. All the best.
Fritz McEvoy
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From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on beha=
lf of David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com>
Sent: January 26, 2016 11:03 AM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Re: star-nosed moles
Hi Nick & All, Jan 26, 2016
I agree Nick. Public education beats laws & law enforcement hands down.=
I have faith that informed people will on average make prudent choices whi=
ch fit their immediate circumstances better than any regulation can.
This may be a bias on my part but it seems that people are most out of =
touch with reality when acting collectively [TNR, war against chickens in t=
own, Material Safety Data Sheets] and usually able to make sensible choices=
when not exposed to misinformation overload or hamstrung by regulations.
And it takes so long to get a "turn left" regulation in place that by t=
he time it becomes effective a "turn right" regulation will often be urgent=
ly needed.
Yt, DW, Kentville
----- Original Message -----
From: Nicholas Hill<mailto:fernhillns@gmail.com>
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Re: star-nosed moles
No, but it is silly to think we can legislate that every cat stays indoors,=
even those of owners who tend their cats, feed birds at feeders our of rea=
ch of cats, bring in cats when there are obvious birds around, bring them i=
n at night, leave long grass for meadow spp., leave brush piles for refuge.=
.
Before I get a cease and desist, make sure we are solving the most egregiou=
s cases: ferals, unneutereds, barns full. It's all about doing what we can =
and being models, not waving sticks. Our cats have taken shrews mice and vo=
les but no evidence of birds.
How about starting with cat control (barns, neutering, confiscation of fera=
l cats) and moving into education..what you can do...not a No Cats outside =
ever rule? Then we look at the data. Does any one have the detailed report =
on results and methodology of the CWS study?
This is a good thread..threats facing birds, valuable biodiversity and ecol=
ogical indicator.
Nick
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Randy Lauff <randy.lauff@gmail.com<mailto:=
randy.lauff@gmail.com>> wrote:
But Nick, something so preventable, and easily preventable...to save so muc=
h wildlife.
It is not silly.
Randy
_________________________________
RF Lauff
Way in the boonies of
Antigonish County, NS.
On 26 January 2016 at 08:34, Nicholas Hill <fernhillns@gmail.com<mailto:fer=
nhillns@gmail.com>> wrote:
Darrell, Randy
we cant lock everyone up who drives ATVs, who leaves cars idling, who cuts =
down trees unnecessarily, who doesn't pick up after their dog, who has the =
thermostat set at 78F, who cuts grass rather than has a biodiverse butterfl=
y garden.
This is silly
Nick
On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:26 PM, <darrell@abolitphotos.ca<mailto:darrell@a=
bolitphotos.ca>> wrote:
For some reason, cats will kill star-nosed moles and plenty of them but the=
y won't eat them. I wonder why, there must be a reason, maybe a scent gland=
.
I'm not sure why people think that keeping cats in at night will cure the p=
roblem, maybe lessen it by 1/4. The true cure is to not allow housecats to =
roam free, (same law as for dogs) they must be in a pen, leash or under con=
trol, the same as any other pet. This will near totally cure the problem.
Coyotes love the taste of cats, our DNR found 3 cat collars in one coyote s=
tomach. I think that if people really do love their cats, they would contai=
n them so not to get run over or ate. I don't believe people think about th=
em be eaten though.
Housecats are a problem in the rural areas, the same as they are anywhere e=
lse. A roaming cat kills no matter where it resides. I know of two differe=
nt houses that have about 15 cats each, lovely, just xxxxxxx lovely. The be=
st way to get rid of mice is to trap them, rats too. Cats will not tacke fu=
ll grown rats, seen them run from them, baby rats maybe. Education and law =
is what is needed. It seems there is some sort of left over scare from the =
black plague to allow cats to roam and kill at will. Be known that the cats=
just spread the plague further by hosting fleas.
It is past time to make it law to contain your pets, all pets, no exception=
s. Only then will this problem be solved and not until.
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On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:27:59 -0400, David Currie <david_currie@ns.sympatico=
.ca<mailto:david_currie@ns.sympatico.ca>> wrote:
Hi All
We sometimes get caught up with the estimated numbers quoted from EC or oth=
ers as being totally accurate for some reason, though always expressed in a=
n estimate or within a certain range. I don't have to tell this group that =
science is based on fact with those facts extrapolated to give us some idea=
. Cod numbers, seal numbers, feral cat numbers etc. to make a comparison. =
Is the number of birds really that important other than it' a lot and getti=
ng worse as free-roaming cats increase? Don't we think that if we lose 350=
million or 100 or 70 million land birds/small animals to cats in Canada a =
year, it's too many when we can avoid it? Do we always have to complain abo=
ut collisions, habitat destruction etc. to lessen the guilt we have about o=
ur pet cat?
This is a human issue of attitude and it is important that we become more r=
esponsible for our cats as we have with dogs. Cats are doing what they are =
built to hunt extremely effectively and we are contributing to aiding an in=
vasive species that has a direct impact on our natural wildlife. Relegatin=
g our pet cats to the h