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); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgb This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04EB_01D156D5.87DB3D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bev & All, Jan 24, 2016 No doubt about it. Wheeled or tracked vehicles have a much greater = potential for habitat damage than do mobs of foot traffic.=20 Vandalism will be increased if an attempt is made to exclude any = class of potential users. I think the idea of cameras, and especially = the threat of cameras, has great potential to deter destructive activity = provided it is coupled with shared usage. And ATV traffic in remote areas has potential positive aspects = provided a lid can be kept on vandalism.=20 They often, if free to act, will clear windfalls from the travelway, = replace rotten stringers in bridges and renew the travel surface of = bridges. All this can come at no cost to the taxpayer.=20 If the day ever came when liming of watersheds/waterways were = undertaken they might even be persuaded to haul in the limestone.=20 And in event of injury or sudden illness far from a highway a used = ATV trail plus people familiar with it would be of considerable value.=20 =20 yt, DW, Kentville =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: bev wigney=20 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Protected areas; ATV use-some thoughts for = moose and trout David, and all, I agree with much of what you've written. However, I feel there is = an important distinction that should be made between careless or wanton = destruction by pedestrians, and bicycles, as opposed to what is possible = using ATVs, motocross motorcycles and off-road equipped 4x4s. It = would be next near to impossible for pedestrians, unless they appeared = en masse, perhaps by the dozens, and all wearing steel-cleated shoes, to = produce anywhere near the damage of even one thoughtless or purposefully = malicious person on an ATV. For example, just a week or so ago, I = happened to be checking the local online news for my area and noticed a = story about vandalism at the Digby Pines golf course. Apparently, for = years, they have encouraged hikers, x-country skiers and dog walkers to = traverse the golf course in winter, so long as they respect the area = around the putting greens. This system seems to have worked. However, = last week, there was destruction on the course caused by vandals using = an ATV. Hikers and others did report the act of vandalism as it = occurred, but obviously it happened too quickly to stop before the = damage was done. I suppose the hope will be to catch whoever was = responsible.=20 = http://www.digbycourier.ca/News/Local/2016-01-14/article-4404267/Snow-job= %3A-Vandals-tear-up-Digby-Pines-golf-course/1 Now, the above incident occurred at a place where there were "many = eyes" to report the damage a.s.a.p. What happens when there are few to = no eyes watching? =20 As John has suggested, this may come down to a greater need for = surveillance, probably using trail cameras, and also at least some = policing on the part of some authority or another. Based on my own = experiences arou d Ottawa, I believe that designating an area as "off = limits" does very little good, and in fact, may well provoke vandalism = by that small few who resent being told what to do. In a way, better to = try to keep protected places unidentified and attempt to use natural = barriers (large fallen trees, immovably huge rocks, etc...) = strategically placed as a deterrent. I should mention that I've discussed this topic ad nauseum with forest = rangers, hiking association, park biologists, and many others during my = travels. Most have plenty of horrifying stories to tell about = purposeful destruction - and all are at a loss for any effective = solution other than surveillance.=20 bev wigney On 2016-01-24, at 1:07 PM, "David & Alison Webster" = <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote: But some people who do not own or use ATVs are also slobs. Should = one therefore conclude that those who don't use ATVs should be excluded = ? As for the other point-- "2. He believes that ATVers will just have to =E2=80=9Cpolice = themselves=E2=80=9D." So far as I am aware, ATVs must have a license plate (Has this = changed ?) Just about everyone carries a camera these days. If an ATV = driver is out of line; anyone present (ATVer or not) should report it = with a photo of the offending vehicle/driver. My overall experience with ATVers has been positive; with the = exception of kids and the very rare 'adults' who have never grown up.=20 A bit of toterance, patience and adult education will go a long = way. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7294 / Virus Database: 4522/11472 - Release Date: = 01/24/16 ------=_NextPart_000_04EB_01D156D5.87DB3D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.23588"> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>Hi Bev & All, = =20 Jan 24, = 2016</DIV> <DIV> No doubt about it. Wheeled or tracked vehicles = have a=20 much greater potential for habitat damage than do mobs of foot traffic. = </DIV> <DIV> Vandalism will be increased if an attempt is = made to=20 exclude any class of potential users. I think the idea of cameras, and=20 especially the threat of cameras, has great potential to deter = destructive=20 activity provided it is coupled with shared usage. <DIV> And ATV traffic in remote areas has = potential=20 positive aspects provided a lid can be kept on vandalism. </DIV></DIV> <DIV> They often, if free to act, will clear = windfalls=20 from the travelway, replace rotten stringers in bridges and renew = the=20 travel surface of bridges. All this can come at no cost to the taxpayer. = </DIV> <DIV> If the day ever came when liming of = watersheds/waterways=20 were undertaken they might even be persuaded to haul in the limestone. = </DIV> <DIV> And in event of injury or sudden illness far = from a=20 highway a used ATV trail plus people familiar with it would be of = considerable=20 value. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>yt, DW, Kentville </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; = PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20 dir=3Dltr> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dbkwigney@gmail.com href=3D"mailto:bkwigney@gmail.com">bev = wigney</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 24, 2016 = 2:18=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] = Protected areas;=20 ATV use-some thoughts for moose and trout</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> <DIV>David, and all,</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I agree with much of what you've written. <SPAN=20 style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); = -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); = -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20 class=3DApple-style-span>However, I feel there is an important = distinction that=20 should be made between careless or wanton destruction by pedestrians, = and=20 bicycles, as opposed to what is possible using ATVs, motocross = motorcycles and=20 off-road equipped 4x4s. It would be next near to = impossible for=20 pedestrians, unless they appeared en masse, perhaps by the dozens, and = all=20 wearing steel-cleated shoes, to produce anywhere near the damage of = even one=20 thoughtless or purposefully malicious person on an ATV. For = example,=20 just a week or so ago, I happened to be checking the local online news = for my=20 area and noticed a story about vandalism at the Digby Pines golf = course.=20 Apparently, for years, they have encouraged hikers, x-country = skiers and=20 dog walkers to traverse the golf course in winter, so long as they = respect the=20 area around the putting greens. This system seems to have = worked.=20 However, last week, there was destruction on the course caused = by=20 vandals using an ATV. Hikers and others did report the act of = vandalism=20 as it occurred, but obviously it happened too quickly to stop before = the=20 damage was done. I suppose the hope will be to catch whoever was = responsible. </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); = -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); = -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20 class=3DApple-style-span><A=20 = href=3D"http://www.digbycourier.ca/News/Local/2016-01-14/article-4404267/= Snow-job%3A-Vandals-tear-up-Digby-Pines-golf-course/1">http://www.digbyco= urier.ca/News/Local/2016-01-14/article-4404267/Snow-job%3A-Vandals-tear-u= p-Digby-Pines-golf-course/1</A></SPAN><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); = -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); = -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20 class=3DApple-style-span><BR></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); = -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); = -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20 class=3DApple-style-span>Now, the above incident occurred at a place = where there=20 were "many eyes" to report the damage a.s.a.p. What happens = when there=20 are few to no eyes watching? </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); = -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); = -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20 class=3DApple-style-span><BR></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); = -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); = -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20 class=3DApple-style-span>As John has suggested, this may come down to = a greater=20 need for surveillance, probably using trail cameras, and also at least = some=20 policing on the part of some authority or another. Based on my = own=20 experiences arou d Ottawa, I believe that designating an area as "off = limits"=20 does very little good, and in fact, may well provoke vandalism by that = small=20 few who resent being told what to do. In a way, better to try to = keep=20 protected places unidentified and attempt to use natural barriers = (large=20 fallen trees, immovably huge rocks, etc...) strategically placed as a=20 deterrent.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); = -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); = -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20 class=3DApple-style-span><BR></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); = -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); = -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20 class=3DApple-style-span>I should mention that I've discussed this = topic ad=20 nauseum with forest rangers, hiking association, park biologists, and = many=20 others during my travels. Most have plenty of horrifying stories = to tell=20 about purposeful destruction - and all are at a loss for any effective = solution other than surveillance. </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); = -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); = -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20 class=3DApple-style-span><BR></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); = -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); = -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20 class=3DApple-style-span>bev wigney</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); = -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); = -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20 class=3DApple-style-span><BR></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); = -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); = -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20 class=3DApple-style-span><BR></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><BR>On 2016-01-24, at 1:07 PM, "David & Alison Webster" = <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com">dwebster@glinx.com</A>>=20 wrote:<BR><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"> <DIV>But some people who do not own or use ATVs are also slobs. = Should one=20 therefore conclude that those who don't use ATVs should be excluded = ?</DIV> <DIV> As for the other point--</DIV> <DIV> <P style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"=20 class=3DMsoListParagraph><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; = FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN=20 style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">"2.<SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New = Roman'"> =20 </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; = FONT-SIZE: 11pt">He=20 believes that ATVers will just have to =E2=80=9Cpolice=20 themselves=E2=80=9D."<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoListParagraph><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; = FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P> <FONT=20 color=3D#000000 size=3D3 face=3DArial>So far as I am aware, ATVs = must have a=20 license plate (Has this changed ?) Just about everyone carries a = camera=20 these days. If an ATV driver is out of line; anyone present (ATVer = or not)=20 should report it with a photo of the offending=20 vehicle/driver.</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoListParagraph><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; = FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P><FONT=20 color=3D#000000 size=3D3 face=3DArial></FONT></O:P></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoListParagraph><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; = FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P><FONT=20 color=3D#000000 size=3D3 face=3DArial>My overall experience with = ATVers has been=20 positive; with the exception of kids and the very rare 'adults' = who=20 have never grown up<FONT size=3D4>. </FONT></FONT></O:P></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoListParagraph><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; = FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P><FONT=20 face=3DArial><FONT size=3D3> <FONT color=3D#000000> = A bit of=20 toterance, patience and adult education will go a long=20 way.</FONT></FONT></FONT></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV><A></A> <P align=3Dleft color=3D"#000000" avgcert??>No virus found in this=20 message.<BR>Checked by AVG - <A=20 href=3D"http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</A><BR>Version: 2016.0.7294 / = Virus=20 Database: 4522/11472 - Release Date: = 01/24/16</P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_04EB_01D156D5.87DB3D10--
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