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brush piles..dont be tidy, a pile of woody debris i This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02E0_01D156CA.18B199D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Say nasty stuff about your opposition. Good going, Fritz. Now = who=E2=80=99s doing the =E2=80=9Csnarky put-down=E2=80=9D? From: Fritz McEvoy=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 4:59 PM To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Vancouver has new "bird strategy" Hi All, The argument that "barn cats" are needed to keep the rodent = population under control is a red herring. Almost no one is saying we = should get rid of "barn cats". In fact the "barn cat" population has = declined drastically over the past few decades as the number of family = farm barns has declined. The real cat predation problem is in cities, = not rural areas; although it is a problem there too. The bird predation by cats debate reminds me of the climate change = debate. Both have virtually all scientific research on one side of the = argument with the opposition relying on anecdotal evidence, snarky = put-downs and/or a few scientific studies funded by parties with either = a financial or ideological bias in their favor to make their case. All = the best. Fritz McEvoy -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on = behalf of rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca <rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca> Sent: January 24, 2016 4:26 PM To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Vancouver has new "bird strategy"=20 Nick - that's what barn cats are for - keeping populations=20 of rodents and flying rodents under control. Pigeons, starlings=20 sparrows - the English kind are all rodents.=20 The cats help keep a barn clean and do their best=20 work at night when its dark!=20 Imagion telling a farmer to lock up his cats at night - near as bad=20 as the fellow who wanted the farmer to delay cutting his hay for some = reason!=20 Enjoy the winter=20 Paul=20 On January 24, 2016 at 1:37 PM Nicholas Hill <fernhillns@gmail.com> = wrote:=20 yes Darrell, they have an impact. My point is that this factor is = overblown and is not put in context of the many other factors that are = truly reducing bird populations in the temperate region:=20 climate change=20 land use (e.g. short rotation forestry)=20 pesticides=20 oil?=20 Cats, cars, windturbines, reflective glass would be minor in = comparison and I'd suggest we first focus on the major causes of decline = and then look at tempering the minor threats which we are not going to = fully eliminate as they are part of our life style:=20 1. Cat--keep cat in at night, fix feral cats and get them places=20 2. Car--slow down..I killed a swallow last year when in what I thought = was a hurry=20 3. Windturbines--research placement of windmills out of flight = pathways=20 4, Glass--hard to know how to reduce bird impacts on existing windows, = this national geographic article discusses some ways=20 = http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/11/141113-bird-safe-glass-wi= ndow-collision-animals-science/=20 Bird-friendly glass could save hundreds of millions news.nationalgeographic.com A growing awareness of the threats to bird populations has = prompted new laws and voluntary guidelines in cities from Toronto to San = Francisco.=20 We won't get anywhere legislating that cats be not allowed out but = increasing attention on barn populations and making people responsible = (or finding funding for) for fixing barn cats on their property, then = suggesting that owners keep their cats in at dusk and night, will have = impacts. Currently, this negative focus on cats creates the impression = that a biodiversity crisis is the fault of cats not their humans who may = also drive cars profligately and eat crops grown using neonicotinoids.=20 Nick=20 On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:43 AM, <darrell@abolitphotos.ca> wrote:=20 I disagree Nick, any animal can become a pest and cats and their = irresponsible owners are exactly that. Myself, living in the countryside = where cats are brought to barns and dropped off and many owners letting = them roam free, I have seen many birds killed. Seen one cat jump up on a = cloths line to kill a saw-whet owl. An impressive predator but way too = many (all) at loose in the daytime and night. Dog owners are not allowed = to let their animals/predators roam free and neither should cat owners. = No pet should be allowed to roam free to kill at will, period. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 11:24:43 -0400, Don MacNeill < = donmacneill@bellaliant.net> wrote:=20 I agree Nick. Don Don MacNeill donmacneill@bellaliant.net=20 On 24/01/2016 10:37 AM, Nicholas Hill wrote:=20 Grayson and Calver (2004, Regulation of cat ownership to protect = urban wildlife: a justification based on the precautionary approach. = Royal Zoological Society NSW 169-178) found previously that Cat Density = was not a predictor of passerine numbers but that distance to bushland = and the density of urban housing were (both negative factors). In the = study cited above (regulation of cat ownership etc), they conclude that = "cat welfare is the key issue in a precautionary approach for protection = which respects interests of cat owners". Cat welfare means keeping the = beasts in at night and desexing them so that we do not have a feral cat = problem. In the country here, people let cats breed in outbuildings and = this leads to a desperate situation for these cats and for wildlife. =20 Other authors warned that conclusions drawn in Britain over the = impact of cats (million birds and small mammals killed) were drawn from = data on one single village study in Felmersham. This