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<strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [NatureNS] Vancouver has new &#34;bird strategy& <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"><html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><head> <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"/> </head><body style=""> <div> Nick - that's what barn cats are for - keeping populations </div> <div> of rodents and flying rodents under control. Pigeons, starlings </div> <div> sparrows - the English kind are all rodents. </div> <div> The cats help keep a barn clean and do their best </div> <div> work at night when its dark! </div> <div> Imagion telling a farmer to lock up his cats at night - near as bad </div> <div> as the fellow who wanted the farmer to delay cutting his hay for some reason! </div> <div> Enjoy the winter </div> <div> Paul </div> <div>   </div> <blockquote style="padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 0px; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; position: relative;" type="cite"> On January 24, 2016 at 1:37 PM Nicholas Hill <fernhillns@gmail.com> wrote: <br/> <br/> <div dir="ltr"> yes Darrell, they have an impact. My point is that this factor is overblown and is not put in context of the many other factors that are truly reducing bird populations in the temperate region: <div>   </div> <div> climate change </div> <div> land use (e.g. short rotation forestry) </div> <div> pesticides </div> <div> oil? </div> <div>   </div> <div> Cats, cars, windturbines, reflective glass would be minor in comparison and I'd suggest we first focus on the major causes of decline and then look at tempering the minor threats which we are not going to fully eliminate as they are part of our life style: </div> <div>   </div> <div> 1. Cat--keep cat in at night, fix feral cats and get them places </div> <div> 2. Car--slow down..I killed a swallow last year when in what I thought was a hurry </div> <div> 3. Windturbines--research placement of windmills out of flight pathways </div> <div> 4, Glass--hard to know how to reduce bird impacts on existing windows, this national geographic article discusses some ways </div> <div>   http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/11/141113-bird-safe-glass-window-collision-animals-science/ </div> <div>   </div> <div> We won't get anywhere legislating that cats be not allowed out but increasing attention on barn populations and making people responsible (or finding funding for) for fixing barn cats on their property, then suggesting that owners keep their cats in at dusk and night, will have impacts. Currently, this negative focus on cats creates the impression that a biodiversity crisis is the fault of cats not their humans who may also drive cars profligately and eat crops grown using neonicotinoids. </div> <div>   </div> <div> Nick </div> <div>   </div> <div>   </div> <div>   </div> <div>   </div> </div> <div class="gmail_extra"> <br/> <div class="gmail_quote"> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:43 AM, <span><darrell@abolitphotos.ca></span> wrote: <br/> <blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: #cccccc; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"> <div> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="color: #000000; font-family: times new roman,times; font-size: 14pt; background-color: #ffffff;">I disagree Nick, any animal can become a pest and cats and their irresponsible owners are exactly that. Myself, living in the countryside where cats are brought to barns and dropped off and many owners letting them roam free, I have seen many birds killed. Seen one cat jump up on a cloths line to kill a saw-whet owl. An impressive predator but way too many (all) at loose in the daytime and night. Dog owners are not allowed to let their animals/predators roam free and neither should cat owners. No pet should be allowed to roam free to kill at will, period.</span></p> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> </p> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> </p> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> </p> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> </p> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">====================================</p> <div> <div class="h5"> <br/> <br/>On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 11:24:43 -0400, Don MacNeill < donmacneill@bellaliant.net> wrote: </div> </div> <p> </p> <div> <div class="h5"> <blockquote style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: #000000; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"> <div> <span style="font-family: Calibri;">I agree Nick.<br/>