[NatureNS] Vancouver has new "bird strategy"

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I agree that predation is an important selection pressure, but if various p=
ressures on a population are so high that the population doesn=E2=80=99t ha=
ve time to respond, aren=E2=80=99t we looking at extirpation or extinction?=


 

From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] =
On Behalf Of David & Alison Webster
Sent: January 24, 2016 3:33 PM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Vancouver has new "bird strategy"

 

Hi Nick & All,                                    Jan 24, 2016

    Once again I think your overall approach is sound. One should always at=
tempt to stand back and identify the major forces before fussing about poss=
ible minor forces.

 

    And if the context is species decline then it will be strange indeed if=
 the three major forces at play are not habitat quantity, habitat quality a=
nd habitat continuity. Abundant food in July is worthless if May, June, Aug=
ust and September are filled with want.

 

    Predation usually has the effect, on average, of removing the less agil=
e, the less healthy and less the capable and thereby gives the remaining po=
pulation better access to food, shelter etc and a better shot at survival. =
For a stable population, temporary growth must be balanced by attrition. So=
 predation can have an effect on population only in extremely unusual circu=
mstances [ e.g. flightless birds who evolved in the absence of flightless p=
redators, such as rats.]. 

 

    Swifts, so I understand, land only after they have entered a nesting or=
 communal roost. And I also understand their decline has been dramatic. How=
 much of their decline is due to flying cats or other super-cats who someho=
w nab them just before or just after landing ?

 

Yt, DW, Kentville

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Nicholas Hill <mailto:fernhillns@gmail.com>  

To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca 

Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Vancouver has new "bird strategy"

 

yes Darrell, they have an impact. My point is that this factor is overblown=
 and is not put in context of the many other factors that are truly reducin=
g bird populations in the temperate region: 

 

climate change

land use (e.g. short rotation forestry)

pesticides

oil?

 

Cats, cars, windturbines, reflective glass would be minor in comparison and=
 I'd suggest we first focus on the major causes of decline and then look at=
 tempering the minor threats which we are not going to fully eliminate as t=
hey are part of our life style:

 

1. Cat--keep cat in at night, fix feral cats and get them places

2. Car--slow down..I killed a swallow last year when in what I thought was =
a hurry

3. Windturbines--research placement of windmills out of flight pathways

4, Glass--hard to know how to reduce bird impacts on existing windows, this=
 national geographic article discusses some ways

 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/11/141113-bird-safe-glass-win=
dow-collision-animals-science/

 

We won't get anywhere legislating that cats be not allowed out but increasi=
ng attention on barn populations and making people responsible (or finding =
funding for) for fixing barn cats on their property, then suggesting that o=
wners keep their cats in at dusk and night, will have impacts. Currently, t=
his negative focus on cats creates the impression that a biodiversity crisi=
s is the fault of cats not their humans who may also drive cars profligatel=
y and eat crops grown using neonicotinoids.

 

Nick

 

 

 

 

 

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:43 AM, <darrell@abolitphotos.ca> wrote:

I disagree Nick, any animal can become a pest and cats and their irresponsi=
ble owners are exactly that. Myself, living in the countryside where cats a=
re brought to barns and dropped off and many owners letting them roam free,=
 I have seen many birds killed. Seen one cat jump up on a cloths line to ki=
ll a saw-whet owl. An impressive predator but way too many (all) at loose i=
n the daytime and night. Dog owners are not allowed to let their animals/pr=
edators roam free and neither should cat owners. No pet should be allowed t=
o roam free to kill at will, period.

 

 

 

 

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On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 11:24:43 -0400, Don MacNeill <donmacneill@bellaliant.ne=
t> wrote:

I agree Nick.

Don

Don MacNeill donmacneill@bellaliant.net 

On 24/01/2016 10:37 AM, Nicholas Hill wrote:

Grayson and Calver (2004, Regulation of cat ownership to protect urban wild=
life: a justification based on the precautionary approach. Royal Zoological=
 Society NSW 169-178)  found previously that Cat Density was not a predicto=
r of passerine numbers but that distance to bushland and the density of urb=
an housing were (both negative factors).  In the study cited above (regulat=
ion of cat ownership etc), they conclude that "cat welfare is the key issue=
 in a precautionary approach for protection which respects interests of cat=
 owners". Cat welfare means keeping the beasts in at night and desexing the=
m so that we do not have a feral cat problem. In the country here, people l=
et cats breed in outbuildings and this leads to a desperate situation for t=
hese cats and for wildlife.  

Other authors warned that conclusions drawn in Britain over the impact of c=
ats (million birds and small mammals killed) were drawn from data on one si=
ngle village study in Felmersham. This author (BM Fitzgerald, 1990. is cat =
control needed to protect wildlife? Environmental Conservation 17: 168-169)=
 questioned the extrapolation which we should in a rural area like NS where=
 birdlife is spread widely over woodland and clearings

 

We have 3 desexed rescue cats that are in at night and well fed. There is a=
 local impact on mouse, vole and shrew (no birds seen taken yet) but the po=
pulation of these animals is greatly increased by the landuse round the hou=
se..as was observed in Felmersham (rodents and house sparrows there). 

 

Surely all of the following factors need to be considered before we relegat=
e the cat to the indoors:

 

woodland edges..plant more trees

brush piles..dont be tidy, a pile of woody debris is a refuge for small bir=
ds and voles

sustainable agriculture..minimize use of pesticide sprays (see the " Declin=
es in insectivorous birds associated w hi levels of neonicotinoid" in Natur=
e 511: 341-3 (2014) and   http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/07/1=
40709-birds-insects-pesticides-insecticides-neonicotinoids-silent-spring/)

 

Cats connect people to nature, to animals that still have independence and =
aloofness and are not wholly removed from primary adaptations. This makes t=
hem attractive in connecting and grounding us but it also i