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IDEwJyBGaXIgdGhpY2tldHMgYW5kIGNyb3NzIHBpbGVkIHdpbmRmYWxscy This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_307E_01D14B12.C3893A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mary & All, =20 No surprise at all because I feel the same way. But when trees begin = to suffer from overcrowding then the prudent course of action is to thin = lightly before the canopy of the keepers has begun to shrink. Those = remaining trees appreciate their new lease on life and grow like weeds; = provided you thin soon enough.=20 Interesting that you used the term 'Occam's Razor' because in a way = it fits; the ideal final state being the minimum number of trees that = will collectively capture the maximum amount of sunlight.=20 Light and water are the coarse controls which define growth rate, = these two factors shape decisions when thinning and it is folly to fret = about other possible effects if these are out of kilter.=20 Yt, Dave Webster ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mary Macaulay=20 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Red Herring & Forestry Good to hear David! Then I'm sure you aren't truly surprised that most of us naturalists = would rather cut our forests with Occam's Razor than commercial logging = equipment.=20 With kindest regards Mary (Macaulay), P.Eng. Queen Bee, Insect Recovery Project Owner, Remember Adventures Pedal Buggy & snowshoe rentals, picnics, great bird friendly coffee, = breakfast & pasta, pollinator meadow, games & more!!=20 (Open Wed to Sunday: 8:30 am) 365 Main Street & Station Road Trans-Canada Trail Tatamagouche RememberAdventures.ca & InsectRecovery.org 1-902-657-0054 Twitter @RememberTata & @InsectRecovery On Jan 9, 2016, at 10:31 AM, David & Alison Webster = <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote: Hi Mary & All, Jan 9, 2016 Poor management to some degree perhaps but today's problems, and = the aftermath, are the consequences of greed, waste and excessively = large environmental footprints. I adopted a frugal lifestyle early in life, for the above = reason, and have records of power, water, oil and motor vehicle milage = going back to1967 or thereabouts. Although it would take time to tabulate them I pledge $500 to = Feed NS if anyone who has lived in a house during this period has lower = verifiable values. Contenders must also pledge $500 to Feed NS. Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mary Macaulay=20 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Red Herring & Forestry David Step back a minute and remember it is our very interference and = "managing" that is upsetting the delicate balance of Nature. Thoreau would remind you "In Wildness is the preservation of the = World". With kindest regards Mary (Macaulay), P.Eng. Queen Bee, Insect Recovery Project Owner, Remember Adventures Pedal Buggy & snowshoe rentals, picnics, great bird friendly = coffee, breakfast & pasta, pollinator meadow, games & more!!=20 (Open Wed to Sunday: 8:30 am) 365 Main Street & Station Road Trans-Canada Trail Tatamagouche RememberAdventures.ca & InsectRecovery.org 1-902-657-0054 Twitter @RememberTata & @InsectRecovery On Jan 7, 2016, at 8:44 PM, David & Alison Webster = <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote: Hi Mary, Jim & All, Jan 7, = 2016 By biomass I meant cutting trees (but clear cutting only in = very exceptional circumstances), mowing Miscanthus,.... and ultimately = burning for power. It is a grave mistake to imagine that carbon accumulation in = a forest continues for all time. David Suzuki preached this for a while = but retracted about 20 years ago. After few decades or many, depending = upon initial state, a point is reached whereby release of carbon dioxide = by forest litter and soil equals the carbon fixed in any one year. This = steady state neither gains nor loses CO2. Consult a copy of The Soil = Resource Hans Jenny Ecological Studies 37 1980, 377 pp; fluff free so = about 400 hrs would be a good start. A steady state forest does store carbon until a dry period = hits, as it has out west for several years, and one has huge forest = fires. And dry or not there are some forest fires every year. And on the = heels of a forest fire, unless there is very rapid regeneration, there = will be large losses of CO2 from soil, as in clear cuts. As an aside, I have been selectively cutting trees for = firewood, off and on, for 72 years and I am confident that most cuts = quickly led to greater growth rates of the remaining trees and greater = rates of carbon capture. I don't want to put words in Jamie's mouth or = actions in his hands but, unless I have wires crossed, he also cuts = trees selectively for firewood and I suspect that given the same setting = we would very often make similar choices.=20 Also as an aside, one learns by making mistakes and I have = learned much that way. For example in 1971 I bought a woodlot south of = Wolfville with the view that the best way to protect woodland was to buy = and not cut it. For 10 years I spent many weekends thinning perhaps 5% = of the area and keeping the lines clear and in 1981 got a nearby lot and = neglected the first. At the time of the cutting craze (high prices) I = received many phone calls from those wanting to buy stumpage and refused = all. I was called all kinds of names, most having something to do with = fool and was warned that many would die if I did not have the larger = trees removed. It turns out they were correct. Many did die or perhaps = even worse survive and crowd nearby trees. In the wind of Dec 2010 many = more went over and in much of those woods one would be unwise to walk = without a chainsaw; land in a tangle of 10' F