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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1851_01D03D67.EBDE13B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Back Again, After sending this I checked Fernald (Grays Manual 8th ed) and = Candleberry is one common name used for both M. pensilvanica and M. = cerifera.=20 One additional factor, which is along the lines you were raising = Steve, is the huge span of variation which is included within species. = For example, M. pensilvanica is usually less than 1 M tall but it can be = up to 4.5 M tall with trunk up to 12 cm in diameter. So our strains may = have less wax than strains commonly encountered in New England.=20 Yt, DW=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David & Alison Webster=20 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Bayberry Hi Steve & All, There is no possibility for confusion (internet sources excepted = where species absent here may be discussed). We have only one species of = Myrica with waxy berries, pensilvanica. M. gale fruit are small, dry, in = a cone-like cluster and are not waxy. M. pensilvanica leaves can be = dried for seasoning soup or just hung in a mesh bag to scent a room. M. = gale leaves, picked half grown and dried can be used to make a tea = substitute. Poison Ivy (Rhus radicans and several newer names) berries are = slightly waxy so learn to recognize the fruit while leaves are present. Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Stephen Shaw" <srshaw@Dal.Ca> To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Bayberry > Me too: on-line sources quote up to 1lb of wax from only 4lb of = berries, which is an amazingly high yield from my very limited = experience, and sounds like others' too. > Is part of the problem that there is more than one species of = 'bayberry'? Myrica cerifa (American bayberry, wax myrtle, more = southern), M. pensylvanica (Northern bayberry), M. gale (sweet gale, bog = myrtle, holarctic) all seem as if they might fit the description often = used, "E. Atlantic coast". =20 > Perhaps one of these (cerifa?) produces lots of wax, but the others = don't? That might explain the varied experience in collecting wax. >=20 > Does anyone know which species is most commonly used for candles = (cerifa?)? > Does anyone know which species we have locally here, or is there more = than one species? >=20 > It may be essential to get these identifications straight to avoid = further disappointment, before embarking on more candle-making. > Steve (Hfx) >=20 > ________________________________________ > From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] on = behalf of Margaret Fraser [m_fraser65@yahoo.ca] > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:22 PM > To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca > Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Bayberry >=20 > I did a little online research last night and the most sensible = suggestion I saw was to let the water cool and then pick the wax off the = top,then remelt it and strain through a layer of cheesecloth. The wax,as = I recall,is very strongly scented and do a little will scent a fair bit = of beeswax (but I can't give you proportions). I don't think we strained = the wax,but I remember the pillar candle we made was a funny colour and = kind of gritty. And it had a layer on the bottom that was unburnable. I = also remember my mother was very happy when we were done and stopped = messing up her kitchen = [http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/1.gif] . This has = reignited my interest in candle making. Now I have to find bayberries in = Cape Breton-should not be hard as they were everywhere when I was a = child. Cheers, > Margaret >=20 > From:"David & Alison Webster" <dwebster@glinx.com> > Date:Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:39 am > Subject:Re: [NatureNS] Bayberry >=20 > Hi Nick & All, Jan 31, 2015 > I also, about 1959, did the obvious; simered about 5L of berries in = 8L of water+berries and got a yield of nice odor and almost no wax. > Because partitioning the agreeable odor is the objective I would = try a different approach entirely it I were to attempt this again. > The melting point of Bayberry wax is fairly low; 42-48oC (Place & = Stiles, Auk paper) So a logical first step would be to feed berries = slowly into a rotating inclined screen cylinder in an enclosure that was = heated to about 65oC and wick wax from the zone of melting with a fixed = wiper blade. Wax isolated in this way might be clean enough for some = purposes. If too dirty then the isolated wax could be distilled into = melted paraffin wax. > Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nicholas Hill > To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 7:55 PM > Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Bayberry >=20 >=20 > that's super, Margaret. We tried a few years ago, got discouraged = because we didnt really trust the process. Will try again. Any tips? > I have often seen bayberry in mink scats in the fall. >=20 > On Jan 30, 2015 7:19 PM, "Margaret Fraser" <m_fraser65@yahoo.ca> = wrote: >=20 > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> > Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4273/9027 - Release Date: = 01/30/15 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4273/9031 - Release Date: = 01/31/15 > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4273/9031 - Release Date: = 01/31/15 ------=_NextPart_000_1851_01D03D67.EBDE13B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.23588"> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>Back Again,</DIV> <DIV> After sending this I checked Fernald (Grays = Manual 8th=20 ed) and Candleberry is one common name used for both <EM>M. = pensilvanica</EM>=20 and <EM>M. cerifera</EM>. </DIV> <DIV> One additional factor, which is along the lines = you were=20 raising Steve, is the huge span of variation which is included within = species.=20 For example, <EM>M. pensilvanica</EM> is usually less than 1 M tall = but it=20 can be up to 4.5 M tall with trunk up to 12 cm in diameter. So our = strains=20 may have less wax than strains commonly encountered in New = England.=20 </DIV> <DIV>Yt, DW </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20 title=3Ddwebster@glinx.com href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com">David = & Alison=20 Webster</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> = </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2015 2:14 PM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] Bayberry</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Hi Steve & All,</DIV> <DIV> There is no possibility for confusion (internet = sources=20 excepted where species absent here may be discussed). We have only one = species=20 of<EM> Myrica </EM>with waxy berries, <EM>pensilvanica.</EM> <EM>M. gale = </EM>fruit are small, dry, in a cone-like cluster and are not waxy. = <EM>M.</EM>=20 <EM>pensilvanica leaves </EM>can be dried for seasoning soup or just = hung in a=20 mesh bag to scent a room. <EM>M. gale </EM>leaves, picked half grown and = dried=20 can be used to make a tea substitute.</DIV> <DIV> Poison Ivy (<EM>Rhus radicans </EM>and several = newer=20 names) berries are slightly waxy so learn to recognize the fruit = while=20 leaves are present.</DIV> <DIV>Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville</DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message -----=20 <DIV>From: "Stephen Shaw" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:srshaw@Dal.Ca">srshaw@Dal.Ca</A>></DIV> <DIV>To: <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A>></= DIV> <DIV>Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:53 PM</DIV> <DIV>Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Bayberry</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>> Me too: on-line sources quote up to 1lb of wax from = only 4lb=20 of berries, which is an amazingly high yield from my very limited = experience,=20 and sounds like others' too.<BR>> Is part of the problem that there = is more=20 than one species of 'bayberry'? Myrica cerifa (American bayberry, = wax=20 myrtle, more southern), M. pensylvanica (Northern bayberry), M. gale = (sweet=20 gale, bog myrtle, holarctic) all seem as if they might fit the = description often=20 used, "E. Atlantic coast". <BR>> Perhaps one of these (cerifa?) = produces lots of wax, but the others don't? That might explain the = varied=20 experience in collecting wax.<BR>> <BR>> Does anyone know which = species is=20 most commonly used for candles (cerifa?)?<BR>> Does anyone know which = species=20 we have locally here, or is there more than one species?<BR>> = <BR>> It may=20 be essential to get these identifications straight to avoid further=20 disappointment, before embarking on more candle-making.<BR>> Steve=20 (Hfx)<BR>> <BR>> ________________________________________<BR>> = From: <A=20 href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.= ca</A>=20 [naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] on behalf of Margaret Fraser=20 [m_fraser65@yahoo.ca]<BR>> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:22 = PM<BR>>=20 To: <A = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A><BR>&g= t;=20 Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Bayberry<BR>> <BR>> I did a little online = research=20 last night and the most sensible suggestion I saw was to let the water = cool and=20 then pick the wax off the top,then remelt it and strain through a layer = of=20 cheesecloth. The wax,as I recall,is very strongly scented and do a = little will=20 scent a fair bit of beeswax (but I can't give you proportions). I don't = think we=20 strained the wax,but I remember the pillar candle we made was a funny = colour and=20 kind of gritty. And it had a layer on the bottom that was unburnable. I = also=20 remember my mother was very happy when we were done and stopped messing = up her=20 kitchen [http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/1.gif] . This = has=20 reignited my interest in candle making. Now I have to find bayberries in = Cape=20 Breton-should not be hard as they were everywhere when I was a child.=20 Cheers,<BR>> Margaret<BR>> <BR>> From:"David & Alison = Webster"=20 <<A = href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com">dwebster@glinx.com</A>><BR>>=20 Date:Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:39 am<BR>> Subject:Re: [NatureNS]=20 Bayberry<BR>> <BR>> Hi Nick &=20 All, &nb= sp; &nbs= p; =20 Jan 31, 2015<BR>> I also, about 1959, did the = obvious;=20 simered about 5L of berries in 8L of water+berries and got a yield of = nice odor=20 and almost no wax.<BR>> Because partitioning the = agreeable=20 odor is the objective I would try a different approach entirely it I = were to=20 attempt this again.<BR>> The melting point of = Bayberry wax=20 is fairly low; 42-48oC (Place & Stiles, Auk paper) So a logical = first step=20 would be to feed berries slowly into a rotating inclined screen cylinder = in an=20 enclosure that was heated to about 65oC and wick wax from the zone of = melting=20 with a fixed wiper blade. Wax isolated in this way might be clean enough = for=20 some purposes. If too dirty then the isolated wax could be distilled = into melted=20 paraffin wax.<BR>> Yt, Dave Webster, = Kentville<BR>>=20 ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: Nicholas Hill<BR>> To: <A=20 href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A><BR>&g= t; Sent:=20 Friday, January 30, 2015 7:55 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NatureNS]=20 Bayberry<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> that's super, Margaret. We tried a = few years=20 ago, got discouraged because we didnt really trust the process. Will try = again.=20 Any tips?<BR>> I have often seen bayberry in mink scats in the = fall.<BR>>=20 <BR>> On Jan 30, 2015 7:19 PM, "Margaret Fraser" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:m_fraser65@yahoo.ca">m_fraser65@yahoo.ca</A>> = wrote:<BR>>=20 <BR>> No virus found in this message.<BR>> Checked by AVG - <A=20 href=3D"http://www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com<http://www.= avg.com</A>><BR>>=20 Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4273/9027 - Release Date:=20 01/30/15<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----<BR>> No = virus=20 found in this message.<BR>> Checked by AVG - <A=20 href=3D"http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</A><BR>> Version: 2015.0.5645 = / Virus=20 Database: 4273/9031 - Release Date: 01/31/15<BR>><A></A> <P align=3Dleft color=3D"#000000" avgcert??>No virus found in this=20 message.<BR>Checked by AVG - <A=20 href=3D"http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</A><BR>Version: 2015.0.5645 / = Virus=20 Database: 4273/9031 - Release Date: 01/31/15</P></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_1851_01D03D67.EBDE13B0--
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