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< <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org= /TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"><html xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/1999/xht= ml"><head> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type= "/> =20 </head><body style=3D""> =20 <div> As a taxpayer Steve, I feel a bitterness about how much of my time </div>=20 <div> went to funding Government bureaucracy over the years. And seeing how </div>=20 <div> it was wasted. The SAR project for Atlantic Whitefish was a good bad exa= mple. </div>=20 <div> I know lots of folks here feed at the taxpayers trough but if any of </div>=20 <div> them are bitter, then they have a problem not me. </div>=20 <div> Fire the bitter ones and get real Canadians.. </div>=20 <div> Enjoy the fall </div>=20 <div> Paul </div>=20 <div>   </div>=20 <div> <br/>> On December 11, 2014 at 2:45 PM Stephen Shaw <srshaw@Dal.= Ca> wrote: <br/>>=20 <br/>>=20 <br/>> I'm no govt apologist, but perhaps this should not necess= arily be interpreted as inexplicable active support of trading in endangere= d species by using approval-delaying tactics.=20 <br/>> Instead (extending Dave's first few comments), it might b= e a more parochial response from an Environment Canada bureaucracy proclaim= ing: "Our manpower resources have been so severely damaged that we can&= #39;t respond quickly to this sort of thing, so need a delay. Message: take= note, we need more govt resources, or you'll see more of this sort of = thing which may continue to portray Canada in a bad light". <br/>>=20 <br/>> Heartless blackmail perhaps, but one shouldn't underestim= ate the bitterness of the scorned/underfunded.=20 <br/>> Steve <br/>> ________________________________________ <br/>> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [naturens-owner@chebucto.= ns.ca] on behalf of Rick Whitman [dendroica.caerulescens@gmail.com] <br/>> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 1:34 PM <br/>> To: naturens <br/>> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Canada's position on at-risk spec= ies 'unprecedented' <br/>>=20 <br/>> Hi Dave, <br/>> I would never actually tell you, or anyone else, that they sh= ould not speak their mind. It's just that I have seen similar topics, w= hich *must* be recognized as "political", ruffle some feathers here= . I'm not into setting that in motion. <br/>>=20 <br/>> And actually, I truly believe that everyone here is rather in= telligent, & for myself, I'm totally happy for everyone to read thi= s & make their own conclusions. I think I know where the mainstream thi= nking will be. <br/>>=20 <br/>> Best, Rick. <br/>>=20 <br/>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 1:10 PM, David & Alison Webster &= #60;dwebster@glinx.com<mailto:dwebster@glinx.com>> wrote: <br/>> Hi Rick & All, <br/>> I am baffled by the notion that discussion might not be usefu= l. <br/>>=20 <br/>> No doubt it is not possible to flick a switch and correct suc= h problems. But why avoid discussion ? <br/>>=20 <br/>> One rather large hydra has as usual many heads but only one b= ody; a civil service which has become threadbare as a result of attrition a= nd, in some cases, never furnished with the necessary resources to do the m= andated job in the first place; a large number of electric motors with the = copper windings removed and sold for scrap. <br/>>=20 <br/>> Battles are now lost on a regular basis all for the want of a= horseshoe nail and/or an ounce of common sense and the updating of regulat= ions that have long since passed their best before date. <br/>>=20 <br/>> Amherst, due to public pressure, turned down $500,000 for dis= posal of fracking water after being purified to drinking water standards. W= hy ? Largely because the public is rightly skeptical of industry assurances= . Without government funded science, which is absolutely free of any pressu= re and consequently able to act as a reliable way to confirm or reject assu= rances by industry one can expect mob rule, informed by misinformation, to = become commonplace. And this can only lead to economically destructive deci= sions. <br/>>=20 <br/>> In any case, a back of envelope calculation showed the potent= ial dilution to be astronomical so there should never have been a fuss. But= when democracy is used to establish the value of pi then 21 people who pre= fer 3 will beat 20 who say it is about 3.14159. <br/>>=20 <br/>> The same considerations apply to the Alton gas storage projec= t now stalled, partly because there is a concern about adding Sodium to the= ocean. Huh ?? If the company were to release their water, following the sc= hedule which they propose, I really don't understand how there could be= a problem. If done by instant feedback, mixing and release or shutdown cou= ld be automated. Once again, objective oversight by government funded scien= ce would avoid these foolish and destructive shouting matches. <br/>>=20 <br/>> About 10 years ago someone on the South Shore developed a way= to trap and use a truly invasive species of crab (Green crab I think and u= sed for Lobster bait) .He was fined for fishing Green Crabs without a licen= ce and lost his means of earning a living when he should have been given so= me reward. But by the same agency he was denied a licence because it was no= t an established fishery so they could not issue one. A trace of common sen= se in the enforcement of regulations would predictably lead to better outco= mes. <br/>>=20 &l