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</b></span><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica';">nature This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0143_01CFB7FC.EA3F91F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim W & All, As an approximation I would guess that nearly all houses (and = commercial or public buildings ?) built in towns since 1940, and all = since 1970, have a ceramic liner, metal liner or both and if properly = installed these chimneys are smooth throughout apart from a slight = roughness every 3' (?) where the mortar between ceramic crocks is = trimmed flat. Successive 6' (?) sections of a metal liner have the upper = pipe inserted into the lower. And many earlier structures, at the = urging of Insurance Companies, would likely have had ceramic or metal = liners retrofitted.=20 I don't know this for a fact but I think ceramic lined chimneys = would be Swift unfriendly. And a standard metal liner would exclude = Swifts. I suspect the only Swift friendly chimneys in private dwellings = will be in old and uninsured or in abandoned structures.=20 So in round numbers how many suitable chimneys would there be in = Wolfville ? Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Wolford=20 To: naturens ; Holly Lightfoot ; Jim Wolford=20 Cc: Donna Crossland ; Mark Elderkin=20 Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 5:28 PM Subject: [NatureNS] re swift youngsters and late dates for N.S. <snip> The noisiness of the swiftlings should let people know if they do have = a nesting going on, and I wonder what to conclude about our lack of = into=92 on this in Wolfville, where so many people are familiar with the = species. Cheers from Jim in Wolfville. Begin forwarded message: From: James Churchill <jameslchurchill@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Swift nests Date: August 14, 2014 at 12:25:52 PM ADT To: naturens <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca hi folks,=20 Just some thoughts re: the Herald and New Glasgow articles on the = re-habbed 'Swiftlings'. Local experts please chi(r)p in and correct any = misinformation. Are NS Chimney Swifts 'gone from the province by mid August'?=20 - the breeding period for Swifts in the Maritimes is May-Sept (via = BSC) - there are currently still active nests in the province (some known = and many unknown) - although counts at the major roosts suggest that drops in numbers = seem to occur throughout August, in many years birds are sticking around = until early September (late nesters like this?) - in "All the Birds of Nova Scotia" Ian states, "most leave by = mid-September" Neither the Herald nor New Glasgow article mentions that Chimney = Swift young discovered in August do not necessarily need our help if = found. Just suggesting it would be unfortunate for the meme to be = promoted that August Swiftlings are unusual and need to be helped if = found. ('rescuing' is a different discussion!) (to clarify, I'm not arguing that these New Glasgow Swifts should = not have been helped in some way by Cobequid; just that Swifts are = likely not gone from NS by mid-August, and August Swiftlings are perhaps = not unusual. In the spirit of discussion, happy to hear arguments = otherwise that bring us closest to the true story for NS).=20 cheers, James. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:36 AM, David & Alison Webster = <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote: Dear All, Aug 14, 2014 I notice in yesterday's Chron. Hrld. article (Swifts perk up = after Cobequid centre care) that "The swifts usually leave the small = nest attached to the inside of a chimney at dawn..." which lays the = groundwork for a host of further explanations such as-- but sometimes = remove it then if the early market for false bird's nest soup is = trending upward. -- and arrange to have it removed later in the day = when it is not so darn dark in there. -- and sometimes just leave it = there and move on; provided they can find some safe place where they can = abandon the kids. Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville --=20 James Churchill Kentville, Nova Scotia jameslchurchill@gmail.com (902) 681-2374 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4744 / Virus Database: 4007/8025 - Release Date: = 08/12/14 ------=_NextPart_000_0143_01CFB7FC.EA3F91F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dwindows-1252" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.23588"> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY=20 style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space"=20 bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>Hi Jim W & All,</DIV> <DIV> As an approximation I would guess that nearly = all houses=20 (and commercial or public buildings ?) built in towns since = 1940, and=20 all since 1970, have a ceramic liner, metal liner or both and = if=20 properly installed these chimneys are smooth throughout apart from = a slight=20 roughness every 3' (?) where the mortar between ceramic crocks is = trimmed=20 flat. Successive 6' (?) sections of a metal liner have the upper pipe = inserted=20 into the lower. And many earlier structures, at the urging of = Insurance Companies, would likely have had ceramic or metal liners = retrofitted.=20 </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> I don't know this for a fact but I think ceramic = lined=20 chimneys would be Swift unfriendly. And a standard metal liner=20 would exclude Swifts. I suspect the only Swift friendly = chimneys in=20 private dwellings will be in old and uninsured or in abandoned = structures.=20 </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> So in round numbers how many suitable chimneys = would=20 there be in Wolfville ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; = PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20 dir=3Dltr> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Djimwolford@eastlink.ca = href=3D"mailto:jimwolford@eastlink.ca">Jim=20 Wolford</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens</A> ; <A=20 title=3Dhlightfoot@bsc-eoc.org = href=3D"mailto:hlightfoot@bsc-eoc.org">Holly=20 Lightfoot</A> ; <A title=3Djimwolford@eastlink.ca=20 href=3D"mailto:jimwolford@eastlink.ca">Jim Wolford</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A = title=3Ddcrossland@eastlink.ca=20 href=3D"mailto:dcrossland@eastlink.ca">Donna Crossland</A> ; <A=20 title=3Delderkml@gov.ns.ca href=3D"mailto:elderkml@gov.ns.ca">Mark = Elderkin</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 14, 2014 = 5:28=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NatureNS] re swift = youngsters=20 and late dates for N.S.</DIV> <DIV><snip><BR></DIV>The noisiness of the swiftlings should let = people=20 know if they do have a nesting going on, and I wonder what to conclude = about=20 our lack of into=92 on this in Wolfville, where so many people are = familiar with=20 the species. Cheers from Jim in Wolfville.<BR> <DIV><BR> <DIV>Begin forwarded message:</DIV><BR = class=3DApple-interchange-newline> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: = 'Helvetica'"><B>From:=20 </B></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'">James Churchill = <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:jameslchurchill@gmail.com">jameslchurchill@gmail.com</A>&g= t;<BR></SPAN></DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: = 'Helvetica'"><B>Subject:=20 </B></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'"><B>Re: = [NatureNS] Swift=20 nests</B><BR></SPAN></DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: = 'Helvetica'"><B>Date:=20 </B></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'">August 14, 2014 = at=20 12:25:52 PM ADT<BR></SPAN></DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: = 'Helvetica'"><B>To:=20 </B></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'">naturens <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A>><B= R></SPAN></DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: = 'Helvetica'"><B>Reply-To:=20 </B></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'"><A=20 = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A><BR></= SPAN></DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr> <DIV>hi folks, </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Just some thoughts re: the Herald and New Glasgow articles on = the=20 re-habbed 'Swiftlings'. Local experts please chi(r)p in and correct = any=20 misinformation.<BR></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Are NS Chimney Swifts 'gone from the province by mid=20 August'? <BR></DIV> <DIV>- the breeding period for Swifts in the Maritimes is May-Sept = (via=20 BSC)</DIV> <DIV>- there are currently still active nests in the province (some = known=20 and many unknown)</DIV> <DIV>- although counts at the major roosts suggest that drops in = numbers=20 seem to occur throughout August, in many years birds are sticking = around=20 until early September (late nesters like this?)<BR></DIV> <DIV>- in "All the Birds of Nova Scotia" Ian states, "most leave by=20 mid-September"<BR></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Neither the Herald nor New Glasgow article mentions that = Chimney Swift=20 young discovered in August do not necessarily need our help if = found. Just=20 suggesting it would be unfortunate for the meme to be promoted that = August=20 Swiftlings are unusual and need to be helped if found. ('rescuing' = is a=20 different discussion!)</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>(to clarify, I'm not arguing that these New Glasgow Swifts = should not=20 have been helped in some way by Cobequid; just that Swifts are = likely not=20 gone from NS by mid-August, and August Swiftlings are perhaps not = unusual.=20 In the spirit of discussion, happy to hear arguments otherwise that = bring us=20 closest to the true story for NS). </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>cheers,<BR></DIV> <DIV>James.</DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV class=3Dgmail_extra><BR> <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:36 AM, David = & Alison=20 Webster <SPAN dir=3Dltr><<A href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com"=20 target=3D_blank>dwebster@glinx.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; = PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20 class=3Dgmail_quote>Dear All, = =20 Aug 14,=20 2014<BR> I notice in yesterday's Chron. Hrld. article = (Swifts=20 perk up after Cobequid centre care) that "The swifts usually leave = the=20 small nest attached to the inside of a chimney at dawn..." which = lays the=20 groundwork for a host of further explanations such as-- but = sometimes=20 remove it then if the early market for false bird's nest soup is = trending=20 upward. -- and arrange to have it removed later in the day = when it=20 is not so darn dark in there. -- and sometimes just = leave it=20 there and move on; provided they can find some safe place where = they can=20 abandon the kids.<BR><BR><BR>Yt, Dave Webster,=20 Kentville<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=3Dall> <DIV><BR></DIV>-- <BR> <DIV dir=3Dltr>James Churchill<BR>Kentville, Nova Scotia<BR><A=20 href=3D"mailto:jameslchurchill@gmail.com"=20 target=3D_blank>jameslchurchill@gmail.com</A><BR><A=20 href=3D"tel:%28902%29%20681-2374" target=3D_blank = value=3D"+19026812374">(902)=20 = 681-2374</A><BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></= DIV><BR><A></A> <P align=3Dleft color=3D"#000000" avgcert??>No virus found in this=20 message.<BR>Checked by AVG - <A=20 href=3D"http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</A><BR>Version: 2014.0.4744 / = Virus=20 Database: 4007/8025 - Release Date: = 08/12/14</P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0143_01CFB7FC.EA3F91F0--
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