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It is a good thing that Dave put the period in that last paragraph!

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 3, 2014, at 9:35 AM, David McCorquodale <dbmcc09@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> I agree that this is a nematoceran fly.  This is the large group of flies w=
ith many segmented antennae (including crane flies, mosquitoes, fungus flies=
, black flies, and many families that humans rarely notice).
>=20
> =20
>=20
> At first I was thinking one of the chironomid midges, but have changed my m=
ind.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> I think this is a phantom midge (Chaoboridae, likely genus Chaoborus) and l=
ikely a female because of the relatively few hairs on the antennae.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> It is difficult to discern in the photo, but the wings do not have any of t=
he hardened sections or the short antennae if they lack the hardened section=
s of most Hemiptera.  In some shots you can make out that the antennae are m=
any-segmented.=20
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Phantom midges larvae live in freshwater, from temporary ponds to lakes.  H=
ere they feed on plankton including Daphnia and rotifers.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Stephen Marshall=E2=80=99s new book =E2=80=98Flies=E2=80=99 is a superb re=
source.  It is like the fly section of his equally superb =E2=80=98Insects, t=
heir natural history and diversity=E2=80=99 on performance enhancing substan=
ces.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> I also had a look at BugGuide, here is the link to one species of Chaoboru=
s: http://bugguide.net/node/view/392272.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> As you can tell from the waffle words above, I am not sure.  I welcome alt=
ernative suggestions.
>=20
> David McCorquodale
> Georges River, NS
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>=20
> David McCorquodale
> Georges River, NS
>=20
>=20
>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Stephen Shaw <srshaw@dal.ca> wrote:
>> First pic looks like a recent eclosed adult with the wings present as as-=
yet uninflated balloons, if it is the same specimen.  Antenna visible in 2nd=
 pic (a later shot?) indicates a nematoceran fly, if it is a fly, still the b=
est guess.
>> This phone's camera obviously can't focus at this close range: need to mo=
ve further back to get a focus, with the drawback of a smaller image.
>> Steve
>> ________________________________________
>> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] on be=
half of nancy dowd [nancypdowd@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2014 10:09 PM
>> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] what? Another pic plus a few more
>>=20
>> I have trawled through all the pictures on my phone and found a few more t=
hat show different views, not necessarily clear. It seems to have quite a "r=
uff" showing some colour:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/92981528@N08/14627090478/
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/92981528@N08/14813732615/
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/92981528@N08/14813369042/
>>=20
>> Maybe some of these will help?
>>=20
>> Thanks all for taking a look.
>>=20
>> Nancy
>> On 2014-08-02, at 8:52 PM, jim.edsall <jim.edsall@bellaliant.net> wrote:
>>=20
>> > Looks like dipteran to me
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Jim Edsall
>> > Check out my new website at http://jimedsall.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -------- Original message --------
>> > From: nancy dowd <nancypdowd@gmail.com>
>> > Date: 08-02-2014 8:39 PM (GMT-04:00)
>> > To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>> > Subject: Re: [NatureNS] what? Another pic
>> >
>> >
>> > Here is another clearer photo of what looks like the same species but l=
ikely not the same individual. Taken several days later with flash before da=
wn:
>> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/92981528@N08/14810872164/
>> >
>> > Maybe this will help with ID.
>> >
>> > Nancy
>> >
>> > On 2014-08-02, at 7:37 PM, Steve Shaw <srshaw@dal.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Some hemipterans have elaborate ornaments on the prothorax (1st thora=
cic segment) -- helmets that may reach over the head.  The recently suggeste=
d origin of these (as equivalent to modified prothoracic wings) has proved e=
xtremely controversial -- wings are always on the second and third thoracic s=
egments, and unheard of on the first.   I don't think that's it, here.
>> > > Leafhoppers jump with their back legs which are specialized and short=
, sit underneath and don't look like this.  It's hard to tell what's what at=
 the front end (not quite in focus), but my initial guess from the pic is th=
at the bug might be 'lower' Diptera (Nematocera) -- some sort of midge or mo=
squito.
>> > > These don't have appendages sticking out of their heads, though -- if=
 that is the head -- so perhaps it's a fungus sprouting from a sick fly?  Di=
fficult one.
>> > > Steve, Hfx
>> > >
>> > > On 2-Aug-14, at 6:50 PM, nancy dowd wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I am not sure what this small insect is, a Leafhopper? And that peg-=
like looking reddish thing on its "head" -part of the animal itself or? (det=
ails below):
>> > >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/92981528@N08/14625823780/
>> > >>
>> > >> I have not found anything that really matches it on BugGuide so far.=

>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks for any help, Nancy
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>It is a good thing that Dave put the p=
eriod in that last paragraph!<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Aug 3=
, 2014, at 9:35 AM, David McCorquodale &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dbmcc09@gmail.c=
om">dbmcc09@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<div><div dir=3D"ltr">
















<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I agree that this is a nematocer=
an
fly.&nbsp; This is the large group of flies
with many segmented antennae (including crane flies, mosquitoes, fungus flie=
s,
black flies, and many families that humans rarely notice).</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">At first I was thinking one of t=
he chironomid
midges, but have changed my mind.</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I think this is a phantom midge
(Chaoboridae, likely genus <i>Chaoborus</i>)
and likely a female because of the relatively few hairs on the antennae.</sp=
an></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">It is difficult to discern in th=
e photo,
but the wings do not have any of the hardened sections or the short antennae=
 if
they lack the hardened sections of most Hemiptera.&nbsp; In some shots you c=
an make out that the antennae
are many-segmented.&nbsp; </span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Phantom midges larvae live in fr=
eshwater,
from temporary ponds to lakes.&nbsp; Here they
feed on plankton including Daphnia and rotifers. </span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Stephen Marshall=E2=80=99s new b=
ook =E2=80=98Flies=E2=80=99 is a
superb resource.&nbsp; It is like the fly
section of his equally superb =E2=80=98Insects, their natural history and di=
versity=E2=80=99 on
performance enhancing substances.</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I also had a look at BugGuide, h=
ere is the
link to one species of <i>Chaoborus</i>: <a href=3D"http://bugguide.net/node=
/view/392272">http://bugguide.net/node/view/392272</a>.</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">As you can tell from the waffle w=
ords above,
I am not sure.&nbsp; I welcome alternative
suggestions.<br><br>David McCorquodale<br>Georges River, NS</span></p>

</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dav=
id McCorquodale<div>Georges River, NS</div></div></div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Stephen S=
haw <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srshaw@dal.ca" target=3D"_blank"=
>srshaw@dal.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
First pic looks like a recent eclosed adult with the wings present as as-yet=
 uninflated balloons, if it is the same specimen. &nbsp;Antenna visible in 2=
nd pic (a later shot?) indicates a nematoceran fly, if it is a fly, still th=
e best guess.<br>

This phone's camera obviously can't focus at this close range: need to move f=
urther back to get a focus, with the drawback of a smaller image.<br>
Steve<br>
________________________________________<br>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebuc=
to.ns.ca</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owne=
r@chebucto.ns.ca</a>] on behalf of nancy dowd [<a href=3D"mailto:nancypdowd@=
gmail.com">nancypdowd@gmail.com</a>]<br>

Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2014 10:09 PM<br>
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<b=
r>
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] what? Another pic plus a few more<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
I have trawled through all the pictures on my phone and found a few more tha=
t show different views, not necessarily clear. It seems to have quite a "ruf=
f" showing some colour:<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/92981528@N08/14627090478/" target=3D=
"_blank">https://www.flickr.com/photos/92981528@N08/14627090478/</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/92981528@N08/14813732615/" target=3D=
"_blank">https://www.flickr.com/photos/92981528@N08/14813732615/</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/92981528@N08/14813369042/" target=3D=
"_blank">https://www.flickr.com/photos/92981528@N08/14813369042/</a><br>
<br>
Maybe some of these will help?<br>
<br>
Thanks all for taking a look.<br>
<br>
Nancy<br>
On 2014-08-02, at 8:52 PM, jim.edsall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jim.edsall@bella=
liant.net">jim.edsall@bellaliant.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; Looks like dipteran to me<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Jim Edsall<br>
&gt; Check out my new website at <a href=3D"http://jimedsall.com" target=3D"=
_blank">http://jimedsall.com</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -------- Original message --------<br>
&gt; From: nancy dowd &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nancypdowd@gmail.com">nancypdowd=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Date: 08-02-2014 8:39 PM (GMT-04:00)<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<=
/a><br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [NatureNS] what? Another pic<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Here is another clearer photo of what looks like the same species but l=
ikely not the same individual. Taken several days later with flash before da=
wn:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/92981528@N08/14810872164/" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://www.flickr.com/photos/92981528@N08/14810872164/</a><b=
r>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Maybe this will help with ID.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Nancy<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 2014-08-02, at 7:37 PM, Steve Shaw &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srshaw@dal.=
ca">srshaw@dal.ca</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Some hemipterans have elaborate ornaments on the prothorax (1st th=
oracic segment) -- helmets that may reach over the head. &nbsp;The recently s=
uggested origin of these (as equivalent to modified prothoracic wings) has p=
roved extremely controversial -- wings are always on the second and third th=
oracic segments, and unheard of on the first. &nbsp; I don't think that's it=
, here.<br>

&gt; &gt; Leafhoppers jump with their back legs which are specialized and sh=
ort, sit underneath and don't look like this. &nbsp;It's hard to tell what's=
 what at the front end (not quite in focus), but my initial guess from the p=
ic is that the bug might be 'lower' Diptera (Nematocera) -- some sort of mid=
ge or mosquito.<br>

&gt; &gt; These don't have appendages sticking out of their heads, though --=
 if that is the head -- so perhaps it's a fungus sprouting from a sick fly? &=
nbsp;Difficult one.<br>
&gt; &gt; Steve, Hfx<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; On 2-Aug-14, at 6:50 PM, nancy dowd wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; I am not sure what this small insect is, a Leafhopper? And tha=
t peg-like looking reddish thing on its "head" -part of the animal itself or=
? (details below):<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/92981528@N08/14625823=
780/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.flickr.com/photos/92981528@N08/146258237=
80/</a><br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; I have not found anything that really matches it on BugGuide s=
o far.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks for any help, Nancy<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
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