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difficult as several of the best =0A> reach This message is in MIME format. --=_47bofg8awaqi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed" Content-Description: Plaintext Version of Message Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=C2=A0have a friend in Natural Resourses, he takes children on education tours at times. =C2=A0 He was telling me at a certain younger ages the=C2=A0children want to know every insect, plant, animal=C2=A0and all about them. Then a year or two=C2=A0later they are=C2=A0nothing but a=C2=A0pain to deal with=C2=A0as a= ll they=C2=A0want to do=C2=A0is horse around. I can't remember the exact ages = but get them when they are young is the best bet. =C2=A0 We had a pond behind our house, hours and hours of intertainment, some not so happy frogs from it. :~) We fried up some legs one day and older brother came in, what are you cooking, frog legs, can=C2=A0I have some, sure. Never told him we just but a second batch on and they were totally raw, What a laugh we had, still chuckle about it when it crosses my mind. =C2=A0 All the best, Darrell =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:45:46 -0700, M gayle Maclean wrote: Perhaps the NS Young Naturalists group & their adult leaders, or the NS Museum Of Natural History, might put together a package that could be shared with the NS Dept.of Education? Not sure what age group would be=C2=A0best suited towards, mind you. Am sure there are many on this list, who could advise or suggest. Interesting topic, indeed! Gayle MacLean Dartmouth On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 7:17:41 PM, desolatechair wrote: Budding biologists should learn to observe wild animals in their natural habitat, no? =C2=A0Do you really condone this behavior? Sent from Samsung Mobile -------- Original message -------- From: David & Alison Webster Date:06-24-2014 6:43 PM (GMT-04:00) To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh offleash park... Hi John & All,=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 June 24, 2014 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 You have a point. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Several of us have independently discovered that not hav= ing a turtle at home is more fun and less bother than having one at home.=C2=A0 So why shou= ld future generations of children, especially if they are budding Biologists, have ts learn such matters by experience ? =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Some suitable inspirational lectures, starting by the se= cond trimester, supplemented by officially sanctioned posters in the Nursery should not onl= y confer protection to turtles but snuff out ideas of getting involved in Biology so that children grow up to do something useful, such as being avid consumers. Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and Nhung" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 2:37 PM Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh offleash park... > Good commentary about the need for kids to be exposed to nature, but as a= n > initial part of the exposure, kids need to be told to leave nature where = it > sits. > > I was acquisitive when I was small, as well, and accumulated quite a > collection of live amphibians and snakes.=C2=A0 After some of them died, = despite > my best attempts, I realized that collecting was not a good idea.=C2=A0 S= o then I > kept paper records, instead:=C2=A0 species, colour, length, ... can't rem= ember > what else I tabulated, but do remember the biggest garter snake I ever > caught measured 33 inches from snout to tail! > > -----Original Message----- > From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca= ] > On Behalf Of bev wigney > Sent: June-24-14 12:00 PM > To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca > Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh offleash park... > > On 2014-06-24, at 10:23 AM, Fred Schueler wrote: > >> * it's hard to see this as bullshit - it's one of the fundamental >> problems facing naturalists and nature in these latter days. Both kids >> and society suffer from Nature Appreciation Deficit Disorder, and from >> the consequences the grotesque exploitation of the Earth by those >> afflicted with NADD. It's a big part of the job of naturalists to >> reverse this, and temporarily holding Turtles in captivity is one of >> the classic ways of communing with nature and getting started with >> science >> >> fred. > > * I would like to echo what Fred Schueler has just commented.=C2=A0 While= I'm > definitely not advocating that parents should capture painted turtles for > spoilt children, etc..., I do wonder if there is a natural history educat= ion > program available at that site (and others as well).=C2=A0 Being close en= ough to > observe small creatures is one way of inspiring interest and empathy for = the > natural world.=C2=A0 Some will say, "But there are interpretive signs!" T= o which > I will reply, "Those are not enough." > > For several years, I conducted volunteer stream surveys in the Ottawa are= a. > A science teacher at one of that city's high schools asked if she could > bring her Grade 10 biology class out to spend a full day with my survey > partner and I once each season.=C2=A0 I believe we did four of these annu= al class > outing surveys.=C2=A0 I soon learned that, almost without exception, no c= hild had > ever held a frog, crayfish, turtle, fish, butterfly, or dragonfly.=C2=A0 = In fact, > many of these kids were quite afraid and sometimes even terrified of > touching, being touched by, or even looking closely at these creatures.= =C2=A0 A > couple of times I had to have talks with kids who screamed and immediatel= y > crushed fishing or wolf spiders on sight.=C2=A0 However, by the end of a = day of > survey work, most of the kids were quite comfortable about picking up > crayfish, netting and releasing minnows, carefully holding a dragonfly, o= r > having a frog sit on their hands.=C2=A0 I hope that, out of that hundred = or so > biology students, at least one or=C2=A0 two will have chosen to pursue so= me line > of work in the field of natural history, environmental studies, or > conservation management.=C2=A0 I hope that a further few may have become = teachers > who will=C2=A0 find a way to=C2=A0 transfer their experience that day in = some way to > another generation of students.=C2=A0 I hope that a goodly number of thos= e > students, should they ever have children of their own, will remember that > day spent on a river counting and=C2=A0 measuring crayfish or learning