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> 06/19 --2119117045-676999859-1403618130=:70251 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well Fred I agree with you.=0ADave is a source of knowledge like no other i= n the area.=0AHe has given me good advice on many occasions.=0AI know that = I do drag a red herring across his path=C2=A0from time to time and that set= s him baying=C2=A0 - I shall not do that the next time!=0AAs far as dogs, k= ids and so on unfortunately building a marsh next to Town does create probl= ems of that kind. I do not have a solution.=0AMy turtle story is many years= ago I took out a fellow to=C2=A0a marsh to let him see it. His wife had ju= st knitted him a beautiful white sweater, all fluffy and as it was a cool S= ept day it was perfect.=0AWe saw a small turtle and he insisted to take it = home to show his kids.=C2=A0He held it=C2=A0in his hands as we drove along.= Just then I heard him scream STOP - which I did on a little bridge. The tu= rtle wore up stuck its=C2=A0legs and he=C2=A0was running in place - shreddi= ng=C2=A0the sweater before we got stopped it urinated over his stomach and = dyed the sweater a marsh brown. Amazing how much urine in a small turtle.= =C2=A0We tossed the turtle over the little bridge into the water.=0AWhen we= got him home=C2=A0his wife had kind words for him. They were in French so = thankfully I didn't understand.=C2=A0We didn't make any more trips to the m= arsh.=0AEnjoy the summer=0APaul =0A=0A=0AOn Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:23:46= AM, Fred Schueler <bckcdb@istar.ca> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0Aon June-23-14 10:0= 0 PM *cpepper@ymail.com wrote:=0A=0A> Sooo, how much of David Webster's bul= lshit do we have to put up with=0A> before we can remove him from the list?= =0A=0A* it's hard to see this as bullshit - it's one of the fundamental =0A= problems facing naturalists and nature in these latter days. Both kids =0Aa= nd society suffer from Nature Appreciation Deficit Disorder, and from =0Ath= e consequences the grotesque exploitation of the Earth by those =0Aafflicte= d with NADD. It's a big part of the job of naturalists to =0Areverse this, = and temporarily holding Turtles in captivity is one of the =0Aclassic ways = of communing with nature and getting started with science - =0Ahttp://blogs= .scientificamerican.com/artful-amoeba/2014/06/20/the-slow-painful-decline-o= f-natural-history-and-its-unintended-consequences/?WT.mc_id=3DSA_sharetool_= Twitter=0Aand =0Ahttp://www.npr.org/2014/06/18/318307574/is-collecting-anim= als-for-science-a-noble-mission-or-a-threat=0Aand =0Ahttp://rabble.ca/blogs= /bloggers/christophermajka/2014/06/mary-majka-ninety-years-conservation-and= -environmentalism=0A- just to cite a few links open on my browser at the mo= ment.=0A=0Afred.=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A> ----------------------= --------------------------------------------------=0A>=0A> *From: *David & = Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com=0A> <mailto:dwebster@glinx.com>>=0A>=0A>= *Sender: *naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca=0A> <mailto:naturens-owner@chebuct= o.ns.ca>=0A>=0A> *Date: *Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:16:31 -0300=0A>=0A> *To: *<nat= urens@chebucto.ns.ca <mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>>=0A>=0A> *ReplyTo: *n= aturens@chebucto.ns.ca <mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>=0A>=0A> *Subject: *= Re: [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh offleash park...=0A>=0A> Hi All,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 June = 23, 2014=0A>=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I have a problem with over zealous reg= ulation and over zealous=0A> enforcement. If a park operates on a strickly = 'look but don't touch=0A> basis' then protection may be complete but of sho= rt duration. This=0A> applies especially now when many kids are in love wit= h the latest=0A> game/technology and bored by anything natural (unless it i= s packaged in=0A> 30 second clips to be enjoyed in the comfort of a chair a= t home).=0A>=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Or, expressed another way, Pogo and hi= s friends will over the long=0A> haul be protected by the child who takes a= turtle home and thereby=0A> learns to respect the natural world.=0A>=0A>= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Miner' s Marsh is subject to severe floods from time t= o time. And=0A> as more esker segments and other coarse glacial deposits up= stream are=0A> mined for sand and gravel this flow instability is bound to = increase. I=0A> suspect that many Miner's Marsh Painted Turtles will be swe= pt out to sea=0A> whenever we have late floods.=0A>=0A>=C2=A0 John Muir as= a boy, when grounded to home base, sometimes amused=0A> himself by throwin= g stones at cats or, in one instance, dropping one out=0A> of a high window= . Somehow this wild boy turned out ok, mainly because he=0A> was wild.=0A>= =0A> They hang the man and flog the woman=0A>=0A> who steals the goose from= off the common=0A>=0A>=C2=A0 but let the greater criminal loose=0A>=0A>= =C2=A0 who steals the common from the goose.=0A>=0A> Yt, DW, Kentville=0A>= =0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ----- Original Message -----=0A>=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 *From= :*John and Nhung <mailto:nhungjohn@eastlink.ca>=0A>=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 *To:*= naturens@chebucto.ns.ca <mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>=0A>=0A>=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 *Sent:*Monday, June 23, 2014 11:11 AM=0A>=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 *Subject:*= RE: [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh offleash park...=0A>=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Regardi= ng the kid and the turtle, part of growing up is=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 internal= izing the title of that Rolling Stones song:=C2=A0 =E2=80=9CYou can=E2=80= =99t=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 always get what you want.=E2=80=9D=0A>=0A>=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 The appropriate response for a parent to make is, =E2=80=9CNo, you can= =E2=80=99t.=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [Insert reason.]=C2=A0 Get over it.=E2=80=9D= =0A>=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Looks as if a lot of public education is needed.=C2= =A0 It=E2=80=99s very=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 troubling if authorities hesitate t= o impose penalties because of=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 fear of public reaction.=0A= >=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 *From:*naturens-owner@chebucto.