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--Apple-Mail-128AB7D2-9756-45BA-8F1E-73A43CE6804D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes well we could get into a google duel on this for sure David.=20 See=20 http://www.beyondpesticides.org/news/daily_news_archive/2004/08_02_04.php With kindest regards Mary (Macaulay) marymacaulay@hotmail.com @maryemacaulay > On May 5, 2014, at 9:42 PM, David Patriquin <David.Patriquin@Dal.Ca> wrote= : >=20 > Just to be clear, there is a big difference between permethrin-treated clo= thing, and permethrin in spays for gardens plants, dogs, etc. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I have not been a fan of the latter, or even pyrethrum (the fully natural c= hemical) and have criticized the latter being allowed under HRM's Pesticide B= y-law and now under provincial legislation because of its broad spectrum eff= ects and effects on aquatic life in particular (see http://versicolor.ca/law= ns/docs/updateAug07.html ) >=20 >=20 >=20 > Permethrin applied appropriately to clothing using the appropriate forumul= ation binds to fabrics and is NOT released even when washed (or is released v= ery gradually) but remains toxic to insects landing on the clothing. Thus it= is much safer than, for example, applying it directly to the body (although= that is done for treatment of lice). The only possible adverse environment= al effect I could imagine would be disposal of the clothing, but even if it w= ere dropped in a stream, I think there would be very little effect except at= the surface of the fabric. =20 >=20 >=20 > There is a growing issue with widespread and increasing use of pyrethroids= as pesticides=20 >=20 > more toxic to humans are phased out but that is in no way related to use o= f permethrin-treated clothing. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > See >=20 > http://www.textilescience.ca/downloads/Arielle_Orteza_Report.pdf >=20 > for some testing of permethrin-treated clothing=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on beh= alf of Mary Macaulay <Marymacaulay@hotmail.com> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 8:41 PM > To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca > Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Ticks Out - the Permethrin Option > =20 > I hope people will consider very carefully before applying such pesticides= as bug b gon and others to their lawns and gardens. Google them and check t= heir toxicity to pollinators and other beneficial insects. Surely at least t= hose on this nature living list can be leaders, communicators and advocates f= or dealing with the less than 2% of insects considered pests in other ways r= ather than these incredibly poisonous treatments.=20 > As for ticks. Tuck your pant legs in your socks, wear bug jackets and glov= es etc. Washing pesticide soaked clothing introduces these chemicals into ou= r water.=20 > Pyrethroids have been found to be unaffected by secondary treatment system= s at municipal wastewater treatment facilities. They appear in the effluent,= usually at levels lethal to invertebrates. >=20 > With kindest regards > Mary (Macaulay) > marymacaulay@hotmail.com > @maryemacaulay >=20 > On May 5, 2014, at 8:15 PM, "Dave&Jane Schlosberg" <dschlosb-g@ns.sympatic= o.ca> wrote: >=20 >> "Bug B Gon"--widely available hereabouts. It has pyrethrin. >>=20 >> -----Original Message-----=20 >> From: Phil Schappert >> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 8:04 PM >> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca >> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Ticks Out - the Permethrin Option >>=20 >> At 6:49 PM -0300 5/5/14, Dave&Jane Schlosberg wrote: >>> Permethrin is the chemical form of pyrethrin, which comes from >>> chrysanthemums. Pyrethrin is available in many insecticides sold in >>> garden stores. It is said to irritate skin, but we sprayed it on the >>> bottoms of pants and shirt cuffs. We haven=E2=A4=81t had any ticks (yet= !) on us. >>> Or skin irritation. >>=20 >> A minor correction, Jane, permethrin is the >> man-made analog of pyrethrin and permethrin is >> available in far more insecticides than pyrethrin >> (because permethrin has a longer shelf-life, a >> longer active period and is cheaper to include in >> insecticide formulation). >>=20 >> Phil >>=20 >> --=20 >>=20 >> Phil Schappert, PhD >>=20 >> 27 Clovis Ave. >> Halifax, NS, B3P 1J3 >> 902-460-8343 (cell) >>=20 >> philschappert.com >> imaginaturestudio.ca >> philschappert.ca >>=20 >> "Just let imagination lead, reality will follow through..." >> (Michael Hedges) --Apple-Mail-128AB7D2-9756-45BA-8F1E-73A43CE6804D Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D= utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: aut= o;">Yes well we could get into a google duel on this for sure David. </= div><div><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">See </span><br= ><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><a href=3D"http://www.beyon= dpesticides.org/news/daily_news_archive/2004/08_02_04.php">http://www.beyond= pesticides.org/news/daily_news_archive/2004/08_02_04.php</a></span></div><di= v><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br>With kindest regards</= span><div style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Mary (Macaulay)</div><di= v style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><a href=3D"mailto:marymacaulay@h= otmail.com">marymacaulay@hotmail.com</a></div><div style=3D"-webkit-text-siz= e-adjust: auto;">@maryemacaulay</div></div><div style=3D"-webkit-text-size-a= djust: auto;"><br>On May 5, 2014, at 9:42 PM, David Patriquin <<a href=3D= "mailto:David.Patriquin@Dal.Ca">David.Patriquin@Dal.Ca</a>> wrote:<br><br= ></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><= div> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii">= <div id=3D"OWAFontStyleDivID" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:#000000;backgrou= nd-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"> <p style=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_8"><span style=3D"font-family= : Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42"><span st= yle=3D"font-size: 14pt;">Just to be clear, there is a big difference between= permethrin-treated clothing, and permethrin in spays for gardens plants, dogs, etc.</span><br style=3D""> </span></p> <p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra= nsparent; font-style: normal;" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_47"> <span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_= 1399334964234_42"><br style=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_54"> </span></p> <p id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_50" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-s= ize: 18.6667px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"> <span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_= 1399334964234_42">I have not been a fan of the latter, or even pyrethrum (th= e fully natural chemical) and have criticized the latter being allowed under= HRM's Pesticide By-law and now under provincial legislation because of its broad spectrum effects and effects on= aquatic life in particular (see <a href=3D"http://versicolor.ca/lawns/docs/= updateAug07.html">http://versicolor.ca/lawns/docs/updateAug07.html</a> )<br s= tyle=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_63"> </span></p> <p id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_59" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-s= ize: 18.6667px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"> <span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_= 1399334964234_42"><br style=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_68"> </span></p> <p id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_64" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-s= ize: 18.6667px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"> <span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_= 1399334964234_42">Permethrin applied appropriately to clothing using the app= ropriate forumulation binds to fabrics and is NOT released even when washed (= or is released very gradually) but remains toxic to insects landing on the clothing. Thus it is much safer tha= n, for example, applying it directly to the body (although that is done for t= reatment of lice). The only possible adverse environmental effect I co= uld imagine would be disposal of the clothing, but even if it were dropped in a stream, I think there would b= e very little effect except at the surface of&= nbsp;the fabric. </span></p> <p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra= nsparent; font-style: normal;"> <br style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"> </p> <p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra= nsparent; font-style: normal;"> <span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">There is = a growing issue with widespread and increasing= use of pyrethroids as pesticides </span= ></p> <p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra= nsparent; font-style: normal;"> <span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">more toxic&nbs= p;to humans are phased out but that is&n= bsp;in no way related to use of <span sty= le=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42"><span style=3D"font-size: 14pt;= ">permethrin</span></span>-treated clothing.<br style=3D""> <span style=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42"></span></span></p> <p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra= nsparent; font-style: normal;"> <span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_= 1399334964234_42"></span></p> <p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra= nsparent; font-style: normal;"> <span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style=3D""> <span style=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42"></span></span></p> <p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra= nsparent; font-style: normal;"> <span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style=3D""> <span style=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42">See</span></span></p> <p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra= nsparent; font-style: normal;"> <span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_= 1399334964234_42"> <a id=3D"lnk984962" href=3D"http://www.textilescienc= e.ca/downloads/Arielle_Orteza_Report.pdf">http://www.textilescience.ca/downl= oads/Arielle_Orteza_Report.pdf</a></span></p> <p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra= nsparent; font-style: normal;"> <span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">for some = testing of permethrin-treated clothing <br style=3D""> <span style=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42"></span><span style=3D"= " id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42"></span></span></p> <p class=3D"" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; font-famil= y: HelveticaNeue-Light,Helvetica Neue Light,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,L= ucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal">= <br> <span style=3D"" class=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42"></span></p>= <p class=3D"" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; font-famil= y: HelveticaNeue-Light,Helvetica Neue Light,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,L= ucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal">= <span style=3D"" class=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42"><br style=3D= "" class=3D""> </span></p> <p><br> </p> <div style=3D"color: rgb(40, 40, 40);" dir=3D"auto"> <hr tabindex=3D"-1" style=3D"display:inline-block; width:98%"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D= "#000000" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:nature= ns-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a> <<a href=3D"ma= ilto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a>> on= behalf of Mary Macaulay <<a href=3D"mailto:Marymacaulay@hotmail.com">Mar= ymacaulay@hotmail.com</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 05, 2014 8:41 PM<br> <b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.c= a</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NatureNS] Ticks Out - the Permethrin Option</font> <div> </div> </div> <div> <div style=3D"">I hope people will consider very carefully before applying s= uch pesticides as bug b gon and others to their lawns and gardens. Google th= em and check their toxicity to pollinators and other beneficial insects. Sur= ely at least those on this nature living list can be leaders, communicators and advocates for dealing with th= e less than 2% of insects considered pests in other ways rather than these i= ncredibly poisonous treatments. </div> <div><span style=3D"">As for ticks. Tuck your pant legs in your socks, wear b= ug jackets and gloves etc. Washing pesticide soaked clothing introduces thes= e chemicals into our water. </span><br> <span style=3D"">Pyrethroids have been found to be unaffected by secondary t= reatment systems at municipal wastewater treatment facilities. They appear i= n the effluent, usually at levels lethal to invertebrates.</span></div> <div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br> </span><span style=3D"">With kindest regards</span> <div style=3D"">Mary (Macaulay)</div> <div style=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:marymacaulay@hotmail.com">marymacaulay@hot= mail.com</a></div> <div style=3D"">@maryemacaulay</div> </div> <div style=3D""><br> On May 5, 2014, at 8:15 PM, "Dave&Jane Schlosberg" <<a href=3D"mailto= :dschlosb-g@ns.sympatico.ca">dschlosb-g@ns.sympatico.ca</a>> wrote:<br> <br> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D""> <div><span>"Bug B Gon"--widely available hereabouts. It has pyrethrin.= </span><br> <br> <span>-----Original Message----- </span><br> <span>From: Phil Schappert</span><br> <span>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 8:04 PM</span><br> <span>To: <a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca= </a></span><br> <span>Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Ticks Out - the Permethrin Option</span><br> <br> <span>At 6:49 PM -0300 5/5/14, Dave&Jane Schlosberg wrote:</span><br> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Permethrin is the chemical form of pyrethrin= , which comes from </span><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>chrysanthemums. Pyrethrin is ava= ilable in many insecticides sold in </span><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>garden stores. It is said to irritate s= kin, but we sprayed it on the </span><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>bottoms of pants and shirt cuffs. We h= aven=E2=A4=81t had any ticks (yet!) on us. </span><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Or skin irritation.</span><br> </blockquote> <br> <span>A minor correction, Jane, permethrin is the</span><br> <span>man-made analog of pyrethrin and permethrin is</span><br> <span>available in far more insecticides than pyrethrin</span><br> <span>(because permethrin has a longer shelf-life, a</span><br> <span>longer active period and is cheaper to include in</span><br> <span>insecticide formulation).</span><br> <br> <span>Phil</span><br> <br> <span>-- </span><br> <br> <span>Phil Schappert, PhD</span><br> <br> <span>27 Clovis Ave.</span><br> <span>Halifax, NS, B3P 1J3</span><br> <span>902-460-8343 (cell)</span><br> <br> <span>philschappert.com</span><br> <span>imaginaturestudio.ca</span= ><br> <span>philschappert.ca</span><br> <br> <span>"Just let imagination lead, reality will follow through..."</span><br>= <span> &nbs= p; &n= bsp; = (Michael Hedges) </span><br> <br> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div></blockquote></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-128AB7D2-9756-45BA-8F1E-73A43CE6804D--
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