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Index of Subjects ---1603101515-371906076-1398529960=:64395 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave=0AAs a further check I got a piece of Yellow birch from my woodpile= . The out 20 mm of wood took 22 years to grow,=0Anot much more than half th= e estimated growth rate of the monster on McNutts - I have no idea where my= sample grew.=0AThe width of the rings will be inversely proportional to th= e age. A young tree grows much bigger rings than an old tree for reasons to= o involved to discuss here. An old tree for sure.=0APaul=0A=A0=0AOn Saturda= y, April 26, 2014 12:43:45 PM, David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com> = wrote:=0A =0AHi Again,=0A=A0 =A0 I notice that, for unintentional comic re= lief, I looked at 1500 and read =0A1700 so my numbers must be shifted accor= dingly. So average ring width would =0Abe 1.78 mm and max age would be 475 = years.=0ADW=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: "David & Alison Webster= " <dwebster@glinx.com>=0ATo: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>=0ASent: Saturday, Ap= ril 26, 2014 11:46 AM=0ASubject: Re: [NatureNS] Tree hugger's quandary - ou= r biggest/oldest Yellow =0ABirch=0A=0A=0A> Hi All,=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Apr 26. 2-14=0A>=A0 =A0 If that tre= e is 17.5' in diameter then the head of that gentleman who =0A> is sitting = on our right is 2.5' wide; a Guiness record for sure. Liars can =0A> figure= but undoctored images don't lie. Assuming the number 17.5 was =0A> accurat= ely transcribed from some vaild source then that tree could be =0A> 17.5' i= n circumference; 5.57' in diameter (67") yielding a head "only" 10" =0A> wi= de [or perhaps 7" if he is sitting well in front of the trunk].=0A>=0A>=A0 = =A0 Again, assuming 17.5' in diameter, the radius would be 2667 mm which = =0A> assuming 1700 years, would yield an average ring width of 1.6 mm; enti= rely =0A> reasonable for=A0 Yellow Birch.=0A>=0A>=A0 =A0 Paul Bunyan with a= magic increment borer could not extract a core 2667 =0A> mm long. Conseque= ntly, if a core was taken at all, it was likely no more =0A> than 10 cm lon= g with an average ring width of `1.6 mm. And someone with a =0A> first-hand= unfamiliarity with the facts subsequently used a =0A> state-of-the-art com= puter program to divide the incorrect diameter of =0A> 17.5' ( i.e. 5334 mm= ) by 2*1.6 mm.=0A>=0A>=A0 =A0 Therefore that tree is likely no more than 53= 0 years old =0A> [5.57*6*25.4/1.6]; old nonetheless.=0A> Yt, Dave Webster, = Kentville=0A> ----- Original Message ----- =0A> From: "David Patriquin" <Da= vid.Patriquin@Dal.Ca>=0A> To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>=0A> Sent: Saturday,= April 26, 2014 9:54 AM=0A> Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Tree hugger's quandary = - our biggest/oldest Yellow =0A> Birch=0A>=0A>=0A>> Old Trees of Nova Scoti= a - we purportedly have a 1500 year old Yellow =0A>> Birch=0A>> http://www.= outdoornovascotia.com/ancient.htm=0A>> What do we know about it, e.g., was = it actually aged by DNR?=0A>> ________________________________________=0A>>= From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on =0A= >> behalf of Stephen Shaw <srshaw@Dal.Ca>=0A>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014= 8:07 PM=0A>> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=0A>> Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Tree= hugger's quandary=0A>>=0A>> An impressive old tree indeed.=A0 At a confer= ence in Cambridge UK ~1996, a =0A>> short cut accompanied by the local orga= nizer took us past (I think it =0A>> was) King's College where he pointed o= ut a mature, tall horse chestnut =0A>> tree in full leaf outside the buildi= ng, in great shape.=A0 Did I know that =0A>> there's an actual university c= ommittee which oversees looking after that =0A>> particular chestnut tree a= nd only that one, he commented?=A0 I hope they =0A>> are still there (both = the tree and the committee).=0A>>=0A>> Such extreme specialization may aris= e in part from England's being only =0A>> 2.4x larger in area than Nova Sco= tia but having a population density of =0A>> ~411 per square km versus Nova= Scotia's ~17/squ km, in Cambridge U having =0A>> a student/faculty ratio o= f only ~1/4 of that in most Canadian (and other) =0A>> universities, and th= e fact that the English in particular cut down most =0A>> of 'their' trees = in the Middle Ages and before, so perhaps have had time =0A>> to reflect on= what little they have left.=0A>> Steve (Hfx)=0A>> ________________________= ________________=0A>> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [naturens-owner@c= hebucto.ns.ca] on =0A>> behalf of Dusan Soudek [soudekd@ns.sympatico.ca]=0A= >> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 9:44 AM=0A>> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca= =0A>> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Tree hugger's quandary=0A>>=0A>>=A0 A gorgeo= us big tree! And an interesting book on the old trees of the =0A>> U.K. The= y published a book about significant old trees in New Brunswick a =0A>> num= ber of years ago. (I do have a copy, somewhere. Probably lent out.) I =0A>>= don't believe there is one for Nova Scotia. Nimbus Publishing, are you =0A= >> listening?=0A>>=A0 Dusan Soudek=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>> On April 22, 2014 at 7:= 41 PM David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com> =0A>>> wrote:=0A>>> Hi Al= l, Apr 22, 2014=0A>>> Not NS natural history but I like this tree--=0A>>> h= ttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/plants/trees/8675208/Champion-trees-of-= Britain-and-Ireland.html=0A>>> Yt, DW, Kentville=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> -----= =0A>> No virus found in this message.=0A>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=0A>= > Version: 2014.0.4570 / Virus Database: 3920/7389 - Release Date: 04/24/14= =0A>>=0A> ---1603101515-371906076-1398529960=:64395 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ve= rdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>Hi Dave</span></div= ><div><span>As a further check I got a piece of Yellow birch from my woodpi= le. The out 20 mm of wood took 22 years to grow,</span></div><div><span>not= much more than half the estimated growth rate of the monster on McNutts - = I have no idea where my sample grew.</span></div><div><span>The width of th= e rings will be inversely proportional to the age. A young tree grows much = bigger rings than an old tree for reasons too involved to discuss here. An = old tree for sure.</span></div><div><span>Paul</span></div><div><span></spa= n> </div><div class=3D"yahoo_quoted" style=3D"display: block;"> <div s= tyle=3D"font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <di= v style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lu= cida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D= "Arial" size=3D"2"> On Saturday, April 26, 2014 12:43:45 PM, David & Alison We= bster <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y= _msg_container">Hi Again,<br> I notice that, for unintentional= comic relief, I looked at 1500 and read <br>1700 so my numbers must be shi= fted accordingly. So average ring width would <br>be 1.78 mm and max age wo= uld be 475 years.<br>DW<br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: "David &a= mp; Alison Webster" <<a href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com" ymailto=3D"ma= ilto:dwebster@glinx.com">dwebster@glinx.com</a>><br>To: <<a href=3D"m= ailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">n= aturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a>><br>Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 11:46 AM<b= r>Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Tree hugger's quandary - our biggest/oldest Yello= w <br>Birch<br><br><br>> Hi All,  = ; Apr= 26. 2-14<br>> If that tree is 17.5' in diameter then the head = of that gentleman who <br>> is sitting on our right is 2.5' wide; a Guin= ess record for sure. Liars can <br>> figure but undoctored images don't = lie. Assuming the number 17.5 was <br>> accurately transcribed from some= vaild source then that tree could be <br>> 17.5' in circumference; 5.57= ' in diameter (67") yielding a head "only" 10" <br>> wide [or perhaps 7"= if he is sitting well in front of the trunk].<br>><br>> = Again, assuming 17.5' in diameter, the radius would be 2667 mm which <br>&= gt; assuming 1700 years, would yield an average ring width of 1.6 mm; entir= ely <br>> reasonable for Yellow Birch.<br>><br>>  = ; Paul Bunyan with a magic increment borer could not extract a core 2667 <b= r>> mm long. Consequently, if a core was taken at all, it was likely no = more <br>> than 10 cm long with an average ring width of `1.6 mm. And someone with a <br>> first-hand unfamiliarity with the facts subseq= uently used a <br>> state-of-the-art computer program to divide the inco= rrect diameter of <br>> 17.5' ( i.e. 5334 mm) by 2*1.6 mm.<br>><br>&g= t; Therefore that tree is likely no more than 530 years old <b= r>> [5.57*6*25.4/1.6]; old nonetheless.<br>> Yt, Dave Webster, Kentvi= lle<br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: "David Patriquin" &= lt;<a href=3D"mailto:David.Patriquin@Dal.Ca" ymailto=3D"mailto:David.Patriq= uin@Dal.Ca">David.Patriquin@Dal.Ca</a>><br>> To: <<a href=3D"mailt= o:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">natur= ens@chebucto.ns.ca</a>><br>> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:54 AM<b= r>> Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Tree hugger's quandary - our biggest/oldest = Yellow <br>> Birch<br>><br>><br>>> Old Trees of Nova Scotia = - we purportedly have a 1500 year old Yellow <br>>> Birch<br>>> <a href=3D"http://www.outdoornovascotia.com/ancient.htm" target=3D"_blank"= >http://www.outdoornovascotia.com/ancient.htm</a><br>>> What do we kn= ow about it, e.g., was it actually aged by DNR?<br>>> _______________= _________________________<br>>> From: <a href=3D"mailto:naturens-owne= r@chebucto.ns.ca" ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens= -owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.= ca" ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebuct= o.ns.ca</a>> on <br>>> behalf of Stephen Shaw <<a href=3D"mailt= o:srshaw@Dal.Ca" ymailto=3D"mailto:srshaw@Dal.Ca">srshaw@Dal.Ca</a>><br>= >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:07 PM<br>>> To: <a href=3D"ma= ilto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">na= turens@chebucto.ns.ca</a><br>>> Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Tree hugger's= quandary<br>>><br>>> An impressive old tree indeed. At = a conference in Cambridge UK ~1996, a <br>>> short cut accompanied by the local o= rganizer took us past (I think it <br>>> was) King's College where he= pointed out a mature, tall horse chestnut <br>>> tree in full leaf o= utside the building, in great shape. Did I know that <br>>> the= re's an actual university committee which oversees looking after that <br>&= gt;> particular chestnut tree and only that one, he commented? I h= ope they <br>>> are still there (both the tree and the committee).<br= >>><br>>> Such extreme specialization may arise in part from En= gland's being only <br>>> 2.4x larger in area than Nova Scotia but ha= ving a population density of <br>>> ~411 per square km versus Nova Sc= otia's ~17/squ km, in Cambridge U having <br>>> a student/faculty rat= io of only ~1/4 of that in most Canadian (and other) <br>>> universit= ies, and the fact that the English in particular cut down most <br>>> of 'their' trees in the Middle Ages and before, so perhaps ha= ve had time <br>>> to reflect on what little they have left.<br>>&= gt; Steve (Hfx)<br>>> ________________________________________<br>>= ;> From: <a href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca" ymailto=3D"mai= lto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a> [<a hr= ef=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca" ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens-owne= r@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a>] on <br>>> behalf= of Dusan Soudek [<a href=3D"mailto:soudekd@ns.sympatico.ca" ymailto=3D"mai= lto:soudekd@ns.sympatico.ca">soudekd@ns.sympatico.ca</a>]<br>>> Sent:= Wednesday, April 23, 2014 9:44 AM<br>>> To: <a href=3D"mailto:nature= ns@chebucto.ns.ca" ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@cheb= ucto.ns.ca</a><br>>> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Tree hugger's quandary<b= r>>><br>>> A gorgeous big tree! And an interesting book = on the old trees of the <br>>> U.K. They published a book about significant= old trees in New Brunswick a <br>>> number of years ago. (I do have = a copy, somewhere. Probably lent out.) I <br>>> don't believe there i= s one for Nova Scotia. Nimbus Publishing, are you <br>>> listening?<b= r>>> Dusan Soudek<br>>><br>>><br>>>> On A= pril 22, 2014 at 7:41 PM David & Alison Webster <<a href=3D"mailto:d= webster@glinx.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com">dwebster@glinx.com= </a>> <br>>>> wrote:<br>>>> Hi All, Apr 22, 2014<br>&g= t;>> Not NS natural history but I like this tree--<br>>>> <a= href=3D"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/plants/trees/8675208/Champion= -trees-of-Britain-and-Ireland.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.telegraph.= co.uk/gardening/plants/trees/8675208/Champion-trees-of-Britain-and-Ireland.= html</a><br>>>> Yt, DW, Kentville<br>>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> -----<br>>= ;> No virus found in this message.<br>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.= com<br>>> Version: 2014.0.4570 / Virus Database: 3920/7389 - Release = Date: 04/24/14<br>>><br>> <br><br><br><br></div> </div> </div> <= /div> </div></body></html> ---1603101515-371906076-1398529960=:64395--
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