[NatureNS] re Wild Canada, The Nature of Things last Thurs. eve.

From: David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com>
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Hi Jim & All,                                Apr 5, 2014
    Thanks for the reminder about this Jim. Will view it by computer on =
CBC one of these days.

    But I think the account of the Mammoths is viewed throught the wrong =
end of the telescope.=20

    No doubt good old humans have done a great job of destroying things =
in the last 60 years, and have had some impact in the previous 50,000 or =
so, but anyone who has hunted or comprehends predator-prey relationships =
will know that stone age hunters did not exterminate Mammoths and other =
Pleistocene mammals. Then as now habitat determines survival.=20

    And it takes a leap of blind faith to imagine that subtracting =
Mammoths will cause grassland to change to boggy tundra. At about this =
same time the grassland habitat of the Hairy Mammoth also became boggy =
as many intact specimens, swallowed by the bog, testify.=20

    It seems clear, at least superficially, that climate change =
triggered the widespread extinctions and this is consistent with the =
change of grassland to boggy tundra, presumably triggered by greater =
ppt. relative to evapotranspiration.
Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville
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  Subject: [NatureNS] re Wild Canada, The Nature of Things last Thurs. =
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    Subject: [ValleyNature] re Wild Canada, The Nature of Things last =
Thurs. eve.
    <snip>

    The show mentioned that just after the last glaciers, mammoths kept =
the ground and vegetation as a vast grassland.  Then came good old =
humans to change things, as they always do, here by destroying the =
mammoths and other Pleistocene mammals and helping to change the =
grassland into boggy tundra with different plants, which only caribou =
can deal with in large numbers.
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Apr 5, 2014</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; But I think the account of the Mammoths is =
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throught the wrong end of the telescope. </DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; No doubt good old humans have done a great job =
of=20
destroying things in the last 60 years, and have had some impact in the =
previous=20
50,000 or so, but anyone who has hunted or comprehends predator-prey=20
relationships will know that stone age hunters did not =
exterminate&nbsp;Mammoths=20
and&nbsp;other Pleistocene mammals. Then as now habitat determines =
survival.=20
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<DIV>Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville</DIV>
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glaciers,=20
    mammoths kept the ground and vegetation as a vast grassland.&nbsp; =
Then came=20
    good old humans to change things, as they always do, here by =
destroying the=20
    mammoths and other Pleistocene mammals and helping to change the =
grassland=20
    into boggy tundra with different plants, which only caribou can deal =
with in=20
    large numbers.</FONT></DIV>
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