Short-sighted WP: Re: [NatureNS] Aggressive Hummingbird

From: David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com>
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Thanks Paul & Annabelle,                        Aug 12, 2013
    Yes no doubt fathom as a measure had that origin. People had arms =
and managed to cope long before measuring devices came along.

    I now see, on looking in several dictionaries, that my usage of span =
is not officially recognized. Except as yard, which is half a span.

Yt, Dave W
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Paul MacDonald=20
  To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
  Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:44 AM
  Subject: Re: Short-sighted WP: Re: [NatureNS] Aggressive Hummingbird


  Which is of course a fathom Dave.
  Probably where fathom originated. We often used it
  when fishing or setting lobster traps.=20
  It was a span on shore - a fathom on the water.
  Have a nice summer
  Paul


  From: David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com>
  To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
  Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:27:55 AM
  Subject: Re: Short-sighted WP: Re: [NatureNS] Aggressive Hummingbird


  Roughly 6'; fingertip to fingertip with arms spread. It is a handy =
measure for many purposes.
  Dave
  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annabelle Thiebaux" =
<hamst@xplornet.com>
  To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 8:21 AM
  Subject: Re: Short-sighted WP: Re: [NatureNS] Aggressive Hummingbird


  > What is a span David?
  >=20
  > On 11/08/13 10:38 AM, David & Alison Webster wrote:
  >> Hi Don & All,                                Aug 11, 2012
  >>      Your comment about the Downy freezing at the hint of danger =
reminded me of an experience last winter suggesting that Downy and Hairy =
Woodpeckers are short-sighted.
  >>=20
  >>      For many years I have hung a stick of firewood, with 16 =
staggered 3/4" diameter holes about 1/2" deep, horizontally in a shrub =
and kept them supplied with fat during cold weather. The Downy & Hairy =
WP often also fed in a nearby Ash and would usually come to the fat from =
the Ash.
  >>=20
  >>      After Alison became confined to wheelchair she could not see =
the birds visit this stick so I decided to move it this winter to =
another location that was visible from a low window by hanging a second =
stick at the new location and withholding fat from the first. This =
second location was about 15 paces from the Ash home base and about 20 =
paces from the bush in which the old stick hung.
  >>=20
  >>      To effect this move, to a stick at the second location that =
was in full view from the Ash, took about 6 weeks !!
  >>=20
  >>      They would find fat in a post that was half a span from the =
feeder currently used but ignore a post that was a span away. So I =
leapfrogged posts by half-span increments; shifting the oldest forward =
after they were finding fat at the most recent.
  >>=20
  >>      In the process of doing this I learned that they strongly =
prefer to feed on a vertical post as opposed to an angled post or a =
horizontal stick.
  >>=20
  >> Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville
  >>=20
  >>=20
  >>    ----- Original Message -----
  >>    From: Don MacNeill
  >>    To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
  >>    Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:26 PM
  >>    Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Aggressive Hummingbitd
  >>=20
  >>=20
  >>    4 parts water, 1 part sugar.  Do you think I am making it =
hyperactive like children who get too much sugar? :>)
  >>=20
  >>    Don
  >>=20
  >>=20
  >>    Don MacNeill donmacneill@bellaliant.net
  >>    On 09/08/2013 7:36 AM, Hebda, Andrew J wrote:
  >>=20
  >> Out of curiosity, how strong a sugar solution are you using?
  >>=20
  >> Andrew
  >>=20
  >> ________________________________________
  >> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] =
on behalf of Don MacNeill [donmacneill@bellaliant.net]
  >> Sent: August-09-13 6:38 AM
  >> To: NaturenNS
  >> Subject: [NatureNS] Aggressive Hummingbitd
  >>=20
  >> I bought and hung out a hummingbird feeder about a week ago. =
Yesterday a
  >> hummingbird fed from it and decided to stake out its territory.  It
  >> chased away Black-capped Chickadees that were feeding at a =
sunflower
  >> feeder that was 20 feet away fram the hummingbird feeder.  It =
chased a
  >> House Sparrow from my backyard.  It dove at a Downy Woodpecker but
  >> stopped about a foot from it and flew back to a bush.  =
Interestingly,
  >> the woodpecker froze as it normally does when danger threatens.  It =
was
  >> quite a while before the woodpecker resumed feeding at the peanut =
feeder.
  >>=20
  >> I hope the dog-in-the-manger hummingbird doesn't succeed in keeping =
the
  >> whole yard for itself.
  >>=20
  >> Don
  >> --
  >> Don MacNeill donmacneill@bellaliant.net
  >>=20
  >>=20
  >>=20
  >>=20
  >>    No virus found in this message.
  >>    Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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08/09/13
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<DIV>Thanks Paul &amp; Annabelle,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Yes no doubt fathom as a measure had that =
origin. People=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I now see, on looking in several dictionaries, =
that my=20
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<DIV>Yt, Dave W</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dpaulrita2001@yahoo.com =
href=3D"mailto:paulrita2001@yahoo.com">Paul=20
  MacDonald</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
  href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 12, 2013 =
9:44=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Short-sighted WP: =
Re:=20
  [NatureNS] Aggressive Hummingbird</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, =
sans-serif; COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
  <DIV style=3D"RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style=3D"RIGHT: auto">Which is of =
course a fathom=20
  Dave.</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: =
16px; RIGHT: auto"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"RIGHT: auto">Probably where&nbsp;fathom originated. We often =
used=20
  it</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: =
16px; RIGHT: auto"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"RIGHT: auto">when fishing or setting lobster traps. =
</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: =
16px; RIGHT: auto"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"RIGHT: auto">It was a span on shore -&nbsp;a fathom on the =
water.<VAR=20
  id=3Dyui-ie-cursor></VAR></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: =
16px; RIGHT: auto"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"RIGHT: auto">Have a nice summer</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: =
16px; RIGHT: auto"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"RIGHT: auto">Paul</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
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  class=3Dhr contentEditable=3Dfalse readonly=3D"true"></DIV><FONT =
size=3D2=20
  face=3DArial><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> =
David &amp;=20
  Alison Webster &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com">dwebster@glinx.com</A>&gt;<BR><B><SPAN=
=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> =
<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 12, 2013 =
9:27:55=20
  AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: =
Short-sighted=20
  WP: Re: [NatureNS] Aggressive Hummingbird<BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dy_msg_container><BR>Roughly 6'; fingertip to fingertip =
with arms=20
  spread. It is a handy measure for many purposes.<BR>Dave<BR>----- =
Original=20
  Message ----- From: "Annabelle Thiebaux" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:hamst@xplornet.com"=20
  =
ymailto=3D"mailto:hamst@xplornet.com">hamst@xplornet.com</A>&gt;<BR>To: =
&lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca"=20
  =
ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A>&gt=
;<BR>Sent:=20
  Monday, August 12, 2013 8:21 AM<BR>Subject: Re: Short-sighted WP: Re:=20
  [NatureNS] Aggressive Hummingbird<BR><BR><BR>&gt; What is a span=20
  David?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; On 11/08/13 10:38 AM, David &amp; Alison =
Webster=20
  wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt; Hi Don &amp; All,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
  &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
Aug 11,=20
  2012<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Your comment about the Downy =
freezing at=20
  the hint of danger reminded me of an experience last winter suggesting =
that=20
  Downy and Hairy Woodpeckers are short-sighted.<BR>&gt;&gt; =
<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &nbsp; &nbsp; For many years I have hung a stick of firewood, with 16=20
  staggered 3/4" diameter holes about 1/2" deep, horizontally in a shrub =
and=20
  kept them supplied with fat during cold weather. The Downy &amp; Hairy =
WP=20
  often also fed in a nearby Ash and would usually come to the fat from =
the=20
  Ash.<BR>&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; After Alison became =
confined=20
  to wheelchair she could not see the birds visit this stick so I =
decided to=20
  move it this winter to another location that was visible from a low =
window by=20
  hanging a second stick at the new location and withholding fat from =
the first.=20
  This second location was about 15 paces from the Ash home base and =
about 20=20
  paces from the bush in which the old stick hung.<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; To effect this move, to a stick at =
the second=20
  location that was in full view from the Ash, took about 6 weeks =
!!<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; They would find fat in a post that =
was half a=20
  span from the feeder currently used but ignore a post that was a span =
away. So=20
  I leapfrogged posts by half-span increments; shifting the oldest =
forward after=20
  they were finding fat at the most recent.<BR>&gt;&gt; =
<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &nbsp; &nbsp; In the process of doing this I learned that they =
strongly prefer=20
  to feed on a vertical post as opposed to an angled post or a =
horizontal=20
  stick.<BR>&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&gt; Yt, Dave Webster, =
Kentville<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; ----- Original Message=20
  -----<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; From: Don MacNeill<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; =
&nbsp; To:=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca"=20
  =
ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A><BR=
>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &nbsp; Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:26 PM<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; =
Subject:=20
  Re: [NatureNS] Aggressive Hummingbitd<BR>&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; 4 parts water, 1 part sugar.&nbsp; Do you =
think I am=20
  making it hyperactive like children who get too much sugar? =
:&gt;)<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; Don<BR>&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&gt; =
<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &nbsp; Don MacNeill <A href=3D"mailto:donmacneill@bellaliant.net"=20
  =
ymailto=3D"mailto:donmacneill@bellaliant.net">donmacneill@bellaliant.net<=
/A><BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &nbsp; On 09/08/2013 7:36 AM, Hebda, Andrew J wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt; =
<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
  Out of curiosity, how strong a sugar solution are you =
using?<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&gt; Andrew<BR>&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&gt;=20
  ________________________________________<BR>&gt;&gt; From: <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca"=20
  =
ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.=
ns.ca</A>=20
  [<A href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca"=20
  =
ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.=
ns.ca</A>]=20
  on behalf of Don MacNeill [<A =
href=3D"mailto:donmacneill@bellaliant.net"=20
  =
ymailto=3D"mailto:donmacneill@bellaliant.net">donmacneill@bellaliant.net<=
/A>]<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
  Sent: August-09-13 6:38 AM<BR>&gt;&gt; To: NaturenNS<BR>&gt;&gt; =
Subject:=20
  [NatureNS] Aggressive Hummingbitd<BR>&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&gt; I bought =
and hung=20
  out a hummingbird feeder about a week ago. Yesterday a<BR>&gt;&gt; =
hummingbird=20
  fed from it and decided to stake out its territory.&nbsp; =
It<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
  chased away Black-capped Chickadees that were feeding at a=20
  sunflower<BR>&gt;&gt; feeder that was 20 feet away fram the =
hummingbird=20
  feeder.&nbsp; It chased a<BR>&gt;&gt; House Sparrow from my =
backyard.&nbsp; It=20
  dove at a Downy Woodpecker but<BR>&gt;&gt; stopped about a foot from =
it and=20
  flew back to a bush.&nbsp; Interestingly,<BR>&gt;&gt; the woodpecker =
froze as=20
  it normally does when danger threatens.&nbsp; It was<BR>&gt;&gt; quite =
a while=20
  before the woodpecker resumed feeding at the peanut =
feeder.<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&gt; I hope the dog-in-the-manger hummingbird doesn't succeed =
in=20
  keeping the<BR>&gt;&gt; whole yard for itself.<BR>&gt;&gt; =
<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
  Don<BR>&gt;&gt; --<BR>&gt;&gt; Don MacNeill <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:donmacneill@bellaliant.net"=20
  =
ymailto=3D"mailto:donmacneill@bellaliant.net">donmacneill@bellaliant.net<=
/A><BR>&gt;&gt;=20
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