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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0370_01CDB16A.94328140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim & All, Oct 23, 2012 I gather from your comments about 'iron fertilization' that another = trial has run into opposition. Unfortunate if true. Certainly trying to unscramble the real effects of a broadcast = application in the open ocean is problematic but the remedy is to devise = approaches that are amenable to statistical test and refine methods on = the basis of results as opposed to debate-- e.g. how many phytoplankton = can grow on the head of an iron pin anyway ?). Why not e.g. enclose test areas with a polyethylene curtain around = the perimeter, let them drift, sample fallout at intervals and naturally = sample phytoplankton and water composition in the upper enclosed layers. = One could then have real control and test plots replicated as necessary = based on accumulating experience. With beacons to locate scattered plots = and automated sampling/recording, a mother ship (or more as necessary) = could service sufficient plots over time to obtain data amenable to = statistical tests. Iron has been entering the ocean, mostly as dust or eroded fines, = since the dawn of time and, if I recall correctly, areas with high = natural addition rates are unusually productive.=20 The high productivity of the Bay of Fundy is often attributed to = deep mixing of nutrients but is iron perhaps one of these or even the = key nutrient ? Fine soil (iron rich) gets swept down the Bay with every = falling tide.=20 Which is worse, the potential to make a few mistakes in small areas = of ocean or the really large mistake associated with contributing to = permafrost melt, release of methane from methyl hydrate, massive = positive feedback and runaway global warming ? Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James W. Wolford=20 To: NatureNS=20 Cc: Jim Wolford ; Mike Dadswell=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:51 PM Subject: [NatureNS] Massive grey seal cull set to get Senate panel's = approval -- Gulf of St. Lawrence plan makes no sense, Dalhousie = biologist says -- CBC News N.S., Oct. 23/12 Go to cbc.ca/news/ns/ to find this story and photo & video plus the = links below to related stories. Also three cheers for Jeff Hutchings of Dalhousie Univ. Biology for = speaking out against this cull. Jeff is a champion for marine = biodiversity, and he maintains, among other things, that marine = ecosystems are complex, involving many components of food webs etc., so = the outcome of a cull is unpredictable and will not be measurable in any = way in any case. This will not be any kind of properly designed real = experiment -- the same probably applies to the recent controversy on = "fertilizing the ocean" on the West Coast off the Queen Charlotte = Islands with powdered iron sulphate, in attempt to cause a bloom of = phytoplankton to both help wild salmon and absorb some of our massive = amounts of atmospheric carbon dioxide. See last Saturday's "Quirks and = Quarks" show at cbc.ca/quirks/ for some discussion of this attempt at = geo-engineering or ocean fertilization. On the radio today, Jeff H. pessimistically guessed that there was a = good chance that the Canadian Senate will allow this proposed cull of = grey seals to go ahead. Perhaps their decision has already been = announced? Cheers? from Jim in Wolfville. Related Stories European seal cull called hypocritical Gulf grey seal hunt a bust Scientists call for experimental cull of 73,000 seals External Links Canadian Science Advisory Secretariat report on grey seals Subject: Massive grey seal cull set to get Senate panel's approval = -- Gulf of St. Lawrence plan makes no sense, Dalhousie biologist says -- = CBC News N.S., Oct. 23/12 from cbc.ca/news/ns/ , Tues., Oct. 23, 2012 Massive grey seal cull set to get Senate panel's approval Read 134 comments 134 video BEWARE: PHOTO shown at the video link is NOT A GREY SEAL, but is a = YOUNG HARP SEAL!! [When will the media have their files of seal photos = examined by people who know how to identify the various species, not = many in this area but having various pelages at different ages and = sexes??][JW] Massive grey seal cull set to get Senate panel's approval Gulf of St. Lawrence plan makes no sense, Dalhousie biologist says CBC News Posted: Oct 23, 2012 8:48 AM AT Last Updated: Oct 23, 2012 = 2:04 PM AT Video Content No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2741 / Virus Database: 2614/5333 - Release Date: = 10/15/12 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ------=_NextPart_000_0370_01CDB16A.94328140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.19328"> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY=20 style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space"=20 bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hi Jim & All, = =20 Oct 23,=20 2012</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2> I gather from your comments about = 'iron=20 fertilization' that another trial has run into opposition. Unfortunate = if=20 true.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2> Certainly trying to unscramble = the real=20 effects of a broadcast application in the open ocean is problematic but = the=20 remedy is to devise approaches that are amenable to statistical = test and=20 refine methods on the basis of results as opposed to debate-- e.g. how = many=20 phytoplankton can grow on the head of an iron pin anyway = ?).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2> Why not e.g. enclose test areas = with a=20 polyethylene curtain around the perimeter, let them drift, sample = fallout at=20 intervals and naturally sample phytoplankton and water composition in = the upper=20 enclosed layers. One could then have real control and test plots = replicated as=20 necessary based on accumulating experience. With beacons to=20 locate scattered plots and automated = sampling/recording, a mother=20 ship (or more as necessary) could service sufficient plots over time to = obtain=20 data amenable to statistical tests.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><F