[NatureNS] re hatching of painted, Blanding's, snapping turtle eggs

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WOW! THANKS, BRENNAN! from Jim and NatureNS list

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Brennan Caverhill <brennan.caverhill@gmail.com>
> Date: October 5, 2012 12:48:54 PM ADT
> To: "James W. Wolford" <jimwolford@eastlink.ca>
> Cc: Jeffie McNeil <jeffie@eastlink.ca>, steve mockford  
> <stephen.mockford@acadiau.ca>
> Subject: Re: re hatching of turtle eggs
>
> Hi Jim - I've seen Blanding's emerge in spring as well! (so has  
> Jeffie) and snappers do it too. Painters seem to be the best at it  
> though. Whether the eggs hatch in fall, remain in the nest then  
> emerge in spring ... OR ... whether they remain in the egg, then  
> hatch AND emerge in spring is a tough question to answer ...  
> without fiber-optic cameras and invasive techniques!
>
> Brennan
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:22 AM, James W. Wolford  
> <jimwolford@eastlink.ca> wrote:
> Gayle and Paul et al., actually I believe it is the painted turtle  
> in which the eggs hatch in Fall but the hatchlings overwinter in  
> the nest before emerging in the Spring.  I don't recall whether the  
> snapping turtle occasionally does this, too?  But I am forwarding  
> this to John Gilhen for some definitive word on this.  Cheers from  
> Jim in Wolfville.
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: duartess@ns.sympatico.ca
>> Date: October 4, 2012 7:47:48 PM ADT
>> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Cc: Paul MacDonald <paulrita2001@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Robins, Cardinals, Etc
>> Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>>
>> Lol!
>> Well, actually, up until late last week, a Great Blue Heron was  
>> occasionally stationed right by the area where the Snapping Turtle  
>> nest is and I often wondered if maybe they might already have  
>> become lunch for this big bird, never mind the raccoons!
>> But yes, I read that also, that sometimes they would not hatch  
>> until the following Spring, but, thought that, considering they  
>> were laid very early in June & that the summer was so very warm,  
>> that they would have hatched by now. Anyway, who knows? Will keep  
>> checking as it is on my route of my dog walks.....
>>
>> Enjoy the Fall, everyone & wish you all, a very Happy Thanksgiving!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Gayle MacLean
>> Dartmouth
>>
>> ---- Paul MacDonald <paulrita2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> One of the Keji people told me Gayle that
>>> sometimes the turtles eggs do not hatch til spring.
>>> And perhaps all do not hatch at once.
>>> You can be sure the newly hatched turtles will make a quick
>>> getaway or they will be raccoon treats....
>>>
>>> Enjoy the fall
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>  From: "duartess@ns.sympatico.ca" <duartess@ns.sympatico.ca>
>>> To: Naturelist <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:18:54 PM
>>> Subject: [NatureNS] Robins, Cardinals, Etc
>>>
>>> ....The Snapping Turtle nest at Red Bridge Pond appears to be  
>>> undisturbed. Truly, I would think that the eggs have probably  
>>> hatched by now but I haven't seen any evidence, like a shell.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Gayle MacLean
>>> Dartmouth
>
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WOW! THANKS, BRENNAN! from Jim and NatureNS list<br><div><br><div>Begin =
forwarded message:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>From: =
</b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica">Brennan Caverhill &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:brennan.caverhill@gmail.com">brennan.caverhill@gmail.com</a=
>&gt;</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: =
#000000"><b>Date: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">October 5, 2012 12:48:54 PM =
ADT</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: =
#000000"><b>To: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">"James W. Wolford" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jimwolford@eastlink.ca">jimwolford@eastlink.ca</a>&gt;</fon=
t></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: =
#000000"><b>Cc: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">Jeffie McNeil &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jeffie@eastlink.ca">jeffie@eastlink.ca</a>&gt;, steve =
mockford &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stephen.mockford@acadiau.ca">stephen.mockford@acadiau.ca</a=
>&gt;</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: =
#000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><b>Re: re hatching of turtle =
eggs</b></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> Hi =
Jim - I've seen Blanding's emerge in spring as well! (so has Jeffie) and =
snappers do it too. Painters seem to be the best at it though. Whether =
the eggs hatch in fall, remain in the nest then emerge in spring ... OR =
... whether they remain in the egg, then hatch AND emerge in spring is a =
tough question to answer ... without fiber-optic cameras and invasive =
techniques!<div> <br></div><div>Brennan</div><div><br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:22 AM, James W. Wolford =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jimwolford@eastlink.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">jimwolford@eastlink.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br> =
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Gayle and Paul et al., actually I believe =
it is the painted turtle in which the eggs hatch in Fall but the =
hatchlings overwinter in the nest before emerging in the Spring. &nbsp;I =
don't recall whether the snapping turtle occasionally does this, too? =
&nbsp;But I am forwarding this to John Gilhen for some definitive word =
on this. &nbsp;Cheers from Jim in Wolfville.<br> <div><br><div>Begin =
forwarded message:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
"><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font:12.0px Helvetica"><b>From: </b></font><font =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font:12.0px Helvetica"><a =
href=3D"mailto:duartess@ns.sympatico.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">duartess@ns.sympatico.ca</a></font></div> <div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
"><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font:12.0px Helvetica"><b>Date: </b></font><font =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font:12.0px Helvetica">October 4, =
2012 7:47:48 PM ADT</font></div> <div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
"><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font:12.0px Helvetica"><b>To: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica"=
 size=3D"3" style=3D"font:12.0px Helvetica"><a =
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a></font></div> <div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
"><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font:12.0px Helvetica"><b>Cc: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica"=
 size=3D"3" style=3D"font:12.0px Helvetica">Paul MacDonald &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:paulrita2001@yahoo.com" =
target=3D"_blank">paulrita2001@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</font></div> <div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
"><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font:12.0px Helvetica"><b>Subject: </b></font><font =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font:12.0px Helvetica"><b>Re: =
[NatureNS] Robins, Cardinals, Etc</b></font></div> <div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
"><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font:12.0px Helvetica"><b>Reply-To: </b></font><font =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font:12.0px Helvetica"><a =
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a></font></div> <div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
;min-height:14px"><br></div> <div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">Lol!</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
"> Well, actually, up until late last week, a Great Blue Heron was =
occasionally stationed right by the area where the Snapping Turtle nest =
is and I often wondered if maybe they might already have become lunch =
for this big bird, never mind the raccoons!<span>&nbsp;</span></div> =
<div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">But yes, I read that also, that sometimes they would not hatch until =
the following Spring, but, thought that, considering they were laid very =
early in June &amp; that the summer was so very warm, that they would =
have hatched by now. Anyway, who knows? Will keep checking as it is on =
my route of my dog walks.....</div> <div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
"><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">Enjoy the Fall, everyone &amp; wish you all, a very Happy =
Thanksgiving!</div> <div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
;min-height:14px"><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">Sincerely,</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
;min-height:14px"> <br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">Gayle MacLean</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">Dartmouth</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
;min-height:14px"> <br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">---- Paul MacDonald &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paulrita2001@yahoo.com" =
target=3D"_blank">paulrita2001@yahoo.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<span>&nbsp;</span></div> </blockquote><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">One of the Keji people told me Gayle that</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
"> sometimes the turtles eggs do not hatch til spring.</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">And perhaps all do not hatch at once.</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
"> You can be sure the newly hatched turtles will make a quick</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">getaway or they will be raccoon treats....</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
"> <br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">Enjoy the fall</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">Paul</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
;min-height:14px"> <br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
;min-height:14px"><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
;min-height:14px"><br></div> <div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
"> ________________________________</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
"><span>&nbsp;</span>From: "<a href=3D"mailto:duartess@ns.sympatico.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">duartess@ns.sympatico.ca</a>" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:duartess@ns.sympatico.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">duartess@ns.sympatico.ca</a>&gt;</div> <div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">To: Naturelist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a>&gt;<span>&nbsp;</span></div>=
<div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
"> Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:18:54 PM</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">Subject: [NatureNS] Robins, Cardinals, Etc</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
;min-height:14px"> <br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">....The Snapping Turtle nest at Red Bridge Pond appears to be =
undisturbed. Truly, I would think that the eggs have probably hatched by =
now but I haven't seen any evidence, like a =
shell.<span>&nbsp;</span></div> <div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
;min-height:14px"><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">Sincerely,</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
;min-height:14px"> <br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">Gayle MacLean</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px=
">Dartmouth</div> </blockquote></blockquote> =
</div><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote></div><br></body=
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