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Hi Steve & All, Sounds like an earth tides effect--- http://www.dnr.mo.gov/env/wrc/docs/whywaterlevelschange.pdf DW ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & Alison Webster" <dwebster@glinx.com> To: <NatureNS@chebucto.ns.ca> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:56 PM Subject: Pump drawdowns: [NatureNS] Freshwater Shortages and Bay of Fundy Tides > Hi Steve & All, > I tried Google Chrome and was able to read where Internet Explorer > failed namely-- > http://www.hwe.org.ps/Education/Birzeit/GroundwaterEngineering/Chapter%203%20-%20Groundwater%20Flow%20to%20Wells.pdf > > This is not light reading but examples 6.3 a&b & 6.4 provide samples of > effects at a distance from the well. In 6.4 e.g. water table was lowered > 1m at a distance of 500 m from the well after continuous pumping at 3888 > M^3/day for 4.3 days. This reach is greater than I had remembered but this > rate is rather large. > Yt, DW > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David & Alison Webster" <dwebster@glinx.com> > To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Freshwater Shortages and Bay of Fundy Tides > > >> Hi Steve & All, July 15, 2012 >> I wouldn't care to suggest that I have the physics correct; just a >> very crude first approximation of the effect of head gradients over >> distance. But way more correct than the one you advance. >> >> Except for very simple artificial situations (assumptions that seldom >> apply in practice) problems of liquid flow in porous media can not be >> solved analytically and require computer modelling or field measurements. >> But flow to any sink such as a well, tile drain or Gloosecap's buried >> garden hose, from a phretic surface, will be at right angles to >> isopotential lines. I recall this only in vague terms now but as distance >> from the sink increases there is a dramatic increase in the length of >> flow paths and transit times. >> I tried to find a sample representation of pumped well steady-states >> but keep getting run time errors (started about a week ago with Internet >> Explorer. >> Yt, DW, Kentville >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stephen R. Shaw" <srshaw@Dal.Ca> >> To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> >> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Freshwater Shortages and Bay of Fundy Tides >> >> >>> Quoting David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com>: >>> >>>> Hi Patricia & All, July 13, 2012 >>>> I don't know Greg Gerrits but I do know Elmridge Farm produce; top >>>> quality and this implies unusually good management. So I would be >>>> inclined to accept his observation of well replenishment rates as a >>>> function of something to do with tides but it can not caused directly >>>> by height of saltwater in the 'nearby' shore. >>>> >>>> Flow of any liquid in a porous medium is directly proportional to >>>> hydraulic gradient (head z/lateral displacement y) and inversely >>>> proportional to resistance. A head difference of 10m over lateral >>>> displacement of 10 km (hydraulic gradient = 0.001) would induce >>>> essentially zero flow Or approaching this from the other direction, >>>> when water is pumped exhaustively from a well the water table (drawing >>>> on memory) is seldom lowered beyond a radius of 50 metres. >>> >>> Dave, Patricia: >>> I don't know if you have the physics of the above idea correct, Dave, >>> but if you have, here is a possible suggestion/way out of your >>> pessimistic assessment. >>> Suppose that the water table out there is in part a continuous sheet or >>> lake of (almost) incompressible water that extends all the way from the >>> farm out to within, say, 1 meter of the Bay of Fundy. Your hydraulic >>> gradient now rises to 10 instead of your 0.001, and the resulting >>> forced flow, now feasible, would impress some seawater into the >>> supposed continuous aquifer under pressure. The resulting pressure >>> change would be felt very quickly even 10 km inland, explaining the >>> increase in pressure in the well (as in water coming out of a long, >>> full hose immediately after the tap (pressure source) is turned on -- >>> no delay). This amounts to saying that there is zero resistance to flow >>> over 10 km, which is not possible physically because of frictional wall >>> effects (Poiseuille's law for tubes -- lower flow near the edges), but >>> you can speculate that this might be a relatively small effect if the >>> depth of water table is significantly large. A bit of the sea water >>> would mix in at the edges but most would be removed again at the next >>> low tide. >>> I don't know if this is a physically reasonable model of what's down >>> there, but if it is, it might make the farmer's observation feasible. >>> Obviously it goes against your belief that the water table is extremely >>> local. Do geophysicists conceptualize the water table around there as >>> in part a continuous, shallow underground lake? Someone must have >>> investigated this if you knew where to look or whom to ask. >>> Steve (Halifax) >>> >>> >>>> I would suspect that a tidal effect leads to a local artificial >>>> hydraulic gradient. In effect, water running uphill to the well (and >>>> well vicinity) during this peak inflow period. >>>> >>>> I ran into NatureNS by accident some years ago while trying to find >>>> some understandable explanation of tidal effects on the internet. The >>>> nearest I have come to an explanation was some oracular comment to the >>>> effect that it is explained by math that almost no one understands. >>>> But meanwhile the tides come in and go even though I don't understand >>>> how it works. >>>> >>>> YT, Dave Webster, Kentville >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "P.L. Chalmers" >>>> <plchalmers@ns.sympatico.ca> >>>> To: "NatureNS" <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> >>>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 2:28 PM >>>> Subject: [NatureNS] Freshwater Shortages and Bay of Fundy Tides >>>> >>>> >>>>> For most of my life, my family home in Bedford was dependant on a >>>>> drilled artesian well, as there was no municipal water supply in our >>>>> neighbourhood. This is no longer the