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bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Nat --_b28185ae-a5c6-469e-8dd4-107fc05c7a6e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI Paul and All=2C Your comment reminded me that when hiking the Lake of Islands trail=2C o= n the CBHNP dry barrons in 2009=2C we came across a number of pink & white = Ladies Slippers growing in the trail side gravel. If memory serves the soi= l was whitish and probably gypsum based. I was quite surprised to see them = growing in conditions that are far from what I would consider normal but th= ey must be very hardy=3B and cold tolerant=3B to be growing in what are one= of the harshest environments in the province. All the best. Fritz McEvoy Sunrise Valley=2C CB Date: Mon=2C 16 Jan 2012 04:30:53 -0800 From: paulrita2001@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [NatureNS] The rise and fall of Common Lady's Slippers (long) To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca An interesting account Dave. I got some growing from stock from a test tube operation - they hold on but= not much more. Their tolerance for cold seem variable. Along the Shelburne River there is a large stand - covers several hectares I would surmise. Very love= ly. The interesting thing is many plants are growing on top of granite boulders= with the only soil from decaying hardwood leaves - the temp of the soil must drop qu= ite low there in the winter - so their roots must be hardy. On the other hand they have a good supply of water during the growing seaso= n but no standing or very little at least in the winter to make ice. Oxygen does not look to be a problem. Unfortunately or perhaps fortunately it is not an easy spot to visit but w= ell worth the trip for me at least. Half the fun is getting there - lol Hope we can get the snowshoes out soon Paul From: David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com> To: NatureNS@chebucto.ns.ca=20 Sent: Sunday=2C January 15=2C 2012 10:31:30 PM Subject: [NatureNS] The rise and fall of Common Lady's Slippers (long) Dear All=2C Jan 15=2C 2012 SUMMARY: A stand of Cypripedium acaule (Common Lady's Slipper) that became establi= shed (probably early to mid 1990s) along a section of pick and shovel woods= road that I built about 1984 gradually increased in abundance until at lea= st 2006. Sometime after this=2C drawing on memory between June 2009 and su= mmer 2010=2C abundance decreased abruptly throughout a mapped area of 113 m= ^2. This abrupt decrease may have been triggered by an unusual buildup of i= ce at the soil/snow interface caused by unusually cold soil and observed ab= out 500 paces NW of this area=2C or the associated unusually deep or prolon= ged penetration of frost. BACKGROUND: In the years 2003 to 2006 inclusive I made rough maps of plant location i= n a small area of the North Alton woodlot and recorded state (flowering=2C = fruiting=2C not flowering=2C browsed=2C damaged etc.) The total number of p= lants within the mapped area increased each year=3B 90=2C 103=2C 114 and 12= 0 for the years 2003 to 2006 respectively. In theory one could follow the state of individual plants over years and = initially this worked fairly well. But as plants in some groups became incr= easingly crowded the identity of some plants over years became uncertain. S= o I discontinued both mapping and counting in 2006. Softwoods in this area had been cut about 1950=2C the woods were still fa= irly open until about 2000 but had started to close in south and west of on= e portion of the mapped area by 2006 so I did some thinning in late winter= ( probably March of 2007 & 2008). When I hand-pollinated some flowers in 2007=2C 2008 and 2009=2C in the p= reviously mapped area=2C I noticed no change in stand density but by summer= 2010 there were very few plants in this area. The mapped area is not large=2C about 113 m^2=2C but is spread along abo= out 100 paces of road as four relatively distinct patches. Because all patc= hes were affected it seems unlikely that either disease or tree thinning wa= s the cause. When cutting wood to the NW of this Lady's Slipper stand=2C in late winte= r of 2009=2C when there were still scattered patches of snow=2C I noticed a= very unusual condition. Temperature at the soil/snow interface is usually= close to 0o C with soil heat gradually melting snow at this interface but = ice was nearly always present at this interface and up to about 10 cm thick= . Ice at that interface would suggest melting from above and subsequent fre= ezing of percolated water when it reached cold soil. It seems possible that= stand loss was caused either by cold injury or by direct or indirect effec= ts of low soil oxygen. This is of course conjectural but it is something to watch for. Yours truly=2C Dave Webster=2C Kentville = --_b28185ae-a5c6-469e-8dd4-107fc05c7a6e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <style><!-- .hmmessage P { margin:0px=3B padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt=3B font-family:Tahoma } --></style></head> <body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'> HI Paul and All=2C<BR>  =3B =3B Your comment reminded me that =3Bwhen hiking the Lake = of Islands trail=2C on the CBHNP dry barrons in 2009=2C we came across a nu= mber of pink &=3B white Ladies Slippers growing in the trail side gravel= . =3B If memory serves the soil was whitish and probably gypsum based. = I was quite surprised to see them =3Bgrowing in conditions that are far= from what =3BI would consider normal but they must be very hardy=3B an= d cold tolerant=3B =3Bto be growing in what are one of the harshest&nbs= p=3Benvironments in the province. =3BAll the best.<BR>  =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb= sp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B Fritz McEvoy<BR>  =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb= sp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B Sunrise Valle= y=2C CB<BR> <HR id=3DstopSpelling> <BR> Date: Mon=2C 16 Jan 2012 04:30:53 -0800<BR>From: paulrita2001@yahoo.com<BR>= Subject: Re: [NatureNS] The rise and fall of Common Lady's Slippers (long)<= BR>To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<BR><BR><BR> <DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=3B FONT-FAMILY: times new roman=2C new= york=2C times=2C serif=3B COLOR: #000=3B FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <DIV><SPAN>An interesting account Dave.</SPAN&