[NatureNS] greenbriar and button bush

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Interesting Fred.=0AHow does Greenbriar multiply?=0APresumably by seed but =
I never saw any seed any time I was around the plants.=0ABut then again, I =
didn't search through the vines!=0AButton bush has lots of visible seeds. A=
nd they can spread by water downstream.=0AAnother plant of similar habitat =
is Water Willow or Swamp Loosestrife.=0AIt doesn't occur much around here a=
nd where it does its hard to access.=0ASusposed to have good flowers.=0ATha=
nks for the info=0APaul=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:=
 Frederick W. Schueler <bckcdb@istar.ca>=0ATo: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=0ASe=
nt: Sunday, October 2, 2011 9:25:27 AM=0ASubject: Re: [NatureNS] greenbriar=
 and button bush=0A=0AOn 10/2/2011 7:00 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote:=0A=0A> Gr=
een Briar is interesting - a great tangle where it occurs but very=0A> wide=
ly scattered.=0A=0A* for those without experience in southern New England, =
I'll point out that this, and other thorny species of Smilax, form immense =
impenetrable tangles in the woods there, that they're bird-dispersed, they'=
re presumably limited by temperature in Canada, and that disproportionate s=
uccess is predicted for vines (and already documented in the Amazon, at lea=
st) as atmospheric carbon dioxide levels increase, so we'd expect Greenbria=
r to spread and for new colonies to be established as a result of global wa=
rming.=0A=0AOn the other branch of this thread, the Hudsonia folks in the l=
ower Hudson valley consider Buttonbush to be the best habitat for Blanding'=
s Turtles, a relationship which doesn't seem to be conspicuous in eastern O=
ntario (though this may just be due to the fact that the Turtles would be i=
nvisible in a Buttonbush swamp).=0A=0Afred schueler=0A---------------------=
---------------------------------------=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0  Frederick W. Sch=
ueler & Aleta Karstad=0ABishops Mills Natural History Centre - http://pinic=
ola.ca/bmnhc.htm=0Anow in the field on the Thirty Years Later Expedition -=
=0Ahttp://fragileinheritance.org/projects/thirty/thirtyintro.htm=0ADaily Pa=
intings - http://karstaddailypaintings.blogspot.com/=0A=A0 =A0 RR#2 Bishops=
 Mills, Ontario, Canada K0G 1T0=0A=A0 on the Smiths Falls Limestone Plain 4=
4* 52'N 75* 42'W=0A=A0  (613)258-3107 <bckcdb at istar.ca> http://pinicola.=
ca/=0A------------------------------------------------------------=0A------=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Interestin=
g Fred.</span></div><div><span>How does Greenbriar multiply?</span></div><d=
iv><span>Presumably by seed but I never saw any seed any time I was around =
the plants.</span></div><div><span>But then again, I didn't search through =
the vines!</span></div><div><span>Button bush has lots of visible seeds. An=
d they can spread by water downstream.</span></div><div><span>Another plant=
 of similar habitat is Water Willow or Swamp Loosestrife.</span></div><div>=
<span>It doesn't occur much around here and where it does its hard to acces=
s.</span></div><div>Susposed to have good flowers.</div><div>Thanks for the=
 info</div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style=3D"font-=
size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><di=
v style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york',
 times, serif; "><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><hr size=3D"1"><b><span st=
yle=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Frederick W. Schueler &lt;bckcdb=
@istar.ca&gt;<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> natur=
ens@chebucto.ns.ca<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b=
> Sunday, October 2, 2011 9:25:27 AM<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=
;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NatureNS] greenbriar and button bush<br></font>=
<br>On 10/2/2011 7:00 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote:<br><br>&gt; Green Briar is =
interesting - a great tangle where it occurs but very<br>&gt; widely scatte=
red.<br><br>* for those without experience in southern New England, I'll po=
int out that this, and other thorny species of Smilax, form immense impenet=
rable tangles in the woods there, that they're bird-dispersed, they're pres=
umably limited by temperature in Canada, and that disproportionate success =
is predicted for vines (and already documented in the Amazon, at least) as
 atmospheric carbon dioxide levels increase, so we'd expect Greenbriar to s=
pread and for new colonies to be established as a result of global warming.=
<br><br>On the other branch of this thread, the Hudsonia folks in the lower=
 Hudson valley consider Buttonbush to be the best habitat for Blanding's Tu=
rtles, a relationship which doesn't seem to be conspicuous in eastern Ontar=
io (though this may just be due to the fact that the Turtles would be invis=
ible in a Buttonbush swamp).<br><br>fred schueler<br>----------------------=
--------------------------------------<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  Fred=
erick W. Schueler &amp; Aleta Karstad<br>Bishops Mills Natural History Cent=
re - <a href=3D"http://pinicola.ca/bmnhc.htm" target=3D"_blank">http://pini=
cola.ca/bmnhc.htm</a><br>now in the field on the Thirty Years Later Expedit=
ion -<br><a href=3D"http://fragileinheritance.org/projects/thirty/thirtyint=
ro.htm"
 target=3D"_blank">http://fragileinheritance.org/projects/thirty/thirtyintr=
o.htm</a><br>Daily Paintings - <a href=3D"http://karstaddailypaintings.blog=
spot.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://karstaddailypaintings.blogspot.com/</a>=
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; RR#2 Bishops Mills, Ontario, Canada K0G 1T0<br>&nbsp; on =
the Smiths Falls Limestone Plain 44* 52'N 75* 42'W<br>&nbsp;  (613)258-3107=
 &lt;bckcdb at istar.ca&gt; <a href=3D