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Index of Subjects This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_3ejaBMkeJ1kVnRVq6E/Pnw) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Ken McKenna Box 218 Stellarton NS B0K 1S0 902 752-7644 Hi Fritz I have photos of a Harbour Seal eating rocks and gravel at Cribbons Wharf on Nov. 14, 2011- likely the same animal. I think the photos are still on a card that I have not downloaded as the photos are not on my computer. I will see if I can dig them up later. The seal did not look great at the time but it was alive and lethargic. cheers Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: Fritz McEvoy To: NS NATURE Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:10 PM Subject: RE: [NatureNS] seal eating rocks Hi Randy and All, I don't have any expertise to offer but I have an off the wall suggestion. Could this have been a post mortem event caused by tides washing gravel and small stones into an open mouth and down the throat? I realize this would be exceedingly rare occurrence; if it's possible at all; but under very odd circumstances (open mouth & just right body position in just the right type of tidal zone) it might occur; providing the throat was open. I have a very thick skin so if I'm out to lunch on this feel free to mock. All the best. Fritz McEvoy Sunrise Valley, CB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: randy.lauff@gmail.com Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:47:40 -0300 Subject: Re: [NatureNS] seal eating rocks To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Thanks James. In general, carnivores don't use stones to grind food since meat is so easily digestible - anything swallowed can be acidified and enzyme-treated for digestion; bile helps with the prey's fats in the small intestine. I am aware of the debate of the functions of gut stones in crocodiles...ballast versus grinding (perhaps both...since crocs swallow bones), but have never heard of this in seals. However, the review article you supplied indicates that eared seals, but not earless seals (like the Harbour Seal), have them. Additionally, this animal had a *full* stomach of stone and gravel, and the oesophagus was full, too, suggesting something out of the ordinary. At the time, I glanced at the teeth and didn't notice anything unusual - I'll look in more detail when I prep out the head. Randy _________________________________ RF Lauff Way in the boonies of Antigonish County, NS. On 28 March 2011 11:17, James Churchill <jameslchurchill@gmail.com> wrote: hey Randy, found some theories on stress (http://www.dem.ri.gov/news/2007/pr/0423071.htm), consequence of eating snow/ice on beach (http://www.mysticaquarium.org/animals-and-exhibits/species-of-the-month/706-harp-seal) ... Wikipedia also had some thoughts on Gastroliths... as a natural behaviour, for food grinding or for ballast... And finally an article in Phil. Trans. R. Soc. B comparing these two theories of gastrolith function (grinding vs. ballast) in marine tetrapods (http://www.jstor.org/pss/55808) Any other clues Randy, like condition of the seal's teeth or whether the stones appeared to be recently ingested (local rocks) or worn/polished? (I suppose full esophagus suggests recent...?) Be interested to hear what you find out!! Cheers James. On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Helene Van Doninck <helene.birdvet@gmail.com> wrote: Some animals can exhibit "pica", or the ingestion of abnormal things if they have metabolic issues or blood dyscrasias...just a thought Helene On 2011-03-28 8:54 AM, "Randy Lauff" <randy.lauff@gmail.com> wrote: The surprise animal at the end of this year's Comparative Vertebrate Anatomy class was a Harbour Seal. The seal was found live in a "not good" condition at Cribbons Point, Ant. Co., last semester. Shortly thereafter, it died and was graciously delivered to me by DFO. Last week, my students and I opened it up and found that its stomach and oesophagus were both full of stones...up to a bit bigger than golf ball size. Any ideas why a seal would eat rocks? My only guess was desperation...for some reason, it could have been hungry, but couldn't catch any thing? It had a decent layer of blubber, so I don't think it was starving. Nothing else seemed wrong with it, though I am no vet. Thoughts? Randy _________________________________ RF Lauff Way in the boonies of Antigonish County, NS. -- James Churchill Kentville, Nova Scotia jameslchurchill@gmail.com home: (902) 681-2374 --Boundary_(ID_3ejaBMkeJ1kVnRVq6E/Pnw) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> <STYLE>.hmmessage P { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } BODY.hmmessage { FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt } </STYLE> <META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.19019"></HEAD> <BODY class=hmmessage bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Ken McKenna<BR>Box 218 Stellarton NS<BR>B0K 1S0<BR>902 752-7644<BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hi Fritz</DIV> <DIV>I have photos of a Harbour Seal eating rocks and gravel at Cribbons Wharf on Nov. 14, 2011- likely the same animal. I think the photos are still on a card that I have not downloaded as the photos are not on my computer. I will see if I can dig them up later. The seal did not look great at the time but it was alive and lethargic. </DIV> <DIV>cheers</DIV> <DIV>Ken</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=fritzmcevoy@hotmail.com href="mailto:fritzmcevoy@hotmail.com">Fritz McEvoy</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=naturens@chebucto.ns.ca href="mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">NS NATURE</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 28, 2011 1:10 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [NatureNS] seal eating rocks</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi Randy and All,<BR> I don't have any expertise to offer but I have an off the wall suggestion. Could this have been a post mortem event caused by tides washing gravel and small stones into an open mouth and down the throat? <BR> I realize this would be exceedingly rare occurrence; if it's possible at all; but under very odd circumstances (open mouth & just right body position in just the right type of tidal zone) it might occur; providing the throat was open.<BR> I have a very thick skin so if I'm out to lunch on this feel free to mock. All the best.<BR> Fritz McEvoy<BR> Sunrise Valley, CB <HR id=stopSpelling> From: randy.lauff@gmail.com<BR>Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:47:40 -0300<BR>Subject: Re: [NatureNS] seal eating rocks<BR>To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<BR><BR>Thanks James. <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>In general, carnivores don't use stones to grind food since meat is so easily digestible - anything swallowed can be acidified and enzyme-treated for digestion; bile helps with the prey's fats in the small intestine. I am aware of the debate of the functions of gut stones in crocodiles...ballast versus grinding (perhaps both...since crocs swallow bones), but have never heard of this in seals. However, the review article you supplied indicates that eared seals, but not earless seals (like the Harbour Seal), have them.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Additionally, this animal had a *full* stomach of stone and gravel, and the oesophagus was full, too, suggesting something out of the ordinary. At the time, I glanced at the teeth and didn't notice anything unusual - I'll look in more detail when I prep out the head.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Randy<BR clear=all>_________________________________<BR>RF Lauff<BR>Way in the boonies of<BR>Antigonish County, NS.<BR><BR><BR> <DIV class=ecxgmail_quote>On 28 March 2011 11:17, James Churchill <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:jameslchurchill@gmail.com">jameslchurchill@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=ecxgmail_quote>hey Randy, <BR><BR>found some theories on stress (<A href="http://www.dem.ri.gov/news/2007/pr/0423071.htm" target=_blank>http://www.dem.ri.gov/news/2007/pr/0423071.htm</A>), consequence of eating snow/ice on beach (<A href="http://www.mysticaquarium.org/animals-and-exhibits/species-of-the-month/706-harp-seal" target=_blank>http://www.mysticaquarium.org/animals-and-exhibits/species-of-the-month/706-harp-seal</A>) ...<BR><BR>Wikipedia also had some thoughts on Gastroliths... as a natural behaviour, for food grinding or for ballast...<BR><BR>And finally an article in Phil. Trans. R. Soc. B comparing these two theories of gastrolith function (grinding vs. ballast) in marine tetrapods <BR>(<A href="http://www.jstor.org/pss/55808" target=_blank>http://www.jstor.org/pss/55808</A>)<BR><BR>Any other clues Randy, like condition of the seal's teeth or whether the stones appeared to be recently ingested (local rocks) or worn/polished? (I suppose full esophagus suggests recent...?)<BR><BR>Be interested to hear what you find out!!<BR><BR>Cheers<BR><BR>James. <BR> <DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=h5><BR><BR> <DIV class=ecxgmail_quote>On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Helene Van Doninck <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:helene.birdvet@gmail.com">helene.birdvet@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=ecxgmail_quote>Some animals can exhibit "pica", or the ingestion of abnormal things if they have metabolic issues or blood dyscrasias...just a thought<BR><FONT color=#888888>Helene</FONT><BR> <DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>On 2011-03-28 8:54 AM, "Randy Lauff" <<A href="mailto:randy.lauff@gmail.com">randy.lauff@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>The surprise animal at the end of this year's Comparative Vertebrate Anatomy class was a Harbour Seal. The seal was found live in a "not good" condition at Cribbons Point, Ant. Co., last semester. Shortly thereafter, it died and was graciously delivered to me by DFO. <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Last week, my students and I opened it up and found that its stomach and oesophagus were both full of stones...up to a bit bigger than golf ball size. Any ideas why a seal would eat rocks? My only guess was desperation...for some reason, it could have been hungry, but couldn't catch any thing? It had a decent layer of blubber, so I don't think it was starving. Nothing else seemed wrong with it, though I am no vet.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Thoughts?</DIV> <DIV>Randy<BR clear=all>_________________________________<BR>RF Lauff<BR>Way in the boonies of<BR>Antigonish County, NS.<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=all><BR></DIV></DIV><FONT color=#888888>-- <BR>James Churchill<BR>Kentville, Nova Scotia<BR><A href="mailto:jameslchurchill@gmail.com">jameslchurchill@gmail.com</A><BR>home: (902) 681-2374<BR><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> --Boundary_(ID_3ejaBMkeJ1kVnRVq6E/Pnw)--
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