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> herbicides and wipe o --_834f8fac-fb9b-4a08-857d-c56078f868f9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Japanese Knotweed at McNabs =20 From: dwebster@glinx.com To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: Re: [NatureNS]Invasive aliens: was re unauthorized vs. OK plants l= ists Date: Sun=2C 31 Oct 2010 21:20:48 -0300 HI Jim & All=2C Oct 31=2C 2010 Executive summary:=20 I can not think of one non-native plant that has caused a serious probl= em in Eastern Canada. Some=2C for a few years=2C may locally overwhelm nati= ve plants. But sometimes native plants overwhelm other native plants.=20 =20 The longer version: Labels tend to cloud rather than clarify matters=2C as I will discuss l= ater. First though one should get the history correct. =20 Based on Gray' s Manual (7 th ed=3B 1908)=2C Purple loosestrife (as Lyt= hrum salicaria and as L. salicaria var. tomentosum) must have landed in Nor= th America way before 1900. By the time this 7 th ed. was compiled and prin= ted=2C typical PL was present in N.E.=2C Del. & D.C. and var tomentosum was= present from e. Que to Vt and in s. Ont. Much of these range descriptions = were likely based on pre-1900 collections. =20 =20 Someone who has access to earlier editions of Gray's manuals and/or Har= vard/Yale herbaria catalogues will be able to establish a more precise date= but I would guess well before 1800 and perhaps partly or entirely as ornam= entals.=20 =20 The 7th ed. says L. salicaria is 'local'. In the 8th ed. (1950) this is= expanded to 'locally abundant=2C often too aggressive in choking out nativ= e vegetation.' .=20 =20 LABELS: Labels are fine if in=2C e.g. ecology=2C if they are used to charac= terize some set of responses to some defined set of conditions. The label "= Old Field Spruce" e.g. has been used to refer to the forest cover that init= ially replaces the mostly herbaceous ground cover of abandoned farmland=3B = the older trees being predominantly Spruce (favoured by exposed mineral soi= l) and the later arrivals being predominantly Fir (favoured by litter).=20 =20 I suppose from the viewpoint of these displaced shade-intolerant herbac= eous plants=2C these Spruce could be considered "Invasive" but more objecti= vely they are just players in a process of secondary succession.=20 =20 And secondary succession never sleeps. Shortly after crustose lichens e= stablish borders they are swamped by foliose lichens that prosper at the ed= ges and decline in the middle. And comparable processes of encroachment=2C = prosperity at the fringes with stagnation in the interior can be seen in th= e vegetation of barrens=2C bogs and even in woodland (esp at the level of a= ir photographs). =20 =20 But labels=2C such as "Invasive Alien" that are assigned on the basis o= f prejudice or labels that have emotional overtones can obstruct clear thou= ght and consequently belong more in the realms of politics or propaganda th= an in natural history or biology.=20 =20 In many and perhaps all cases the question is not "Why did this plant b= ecome invasive ?" but "Why did it become fashionable to call this plant inv= asive ?" Or even "Why did it become fashionable to call alien plants that = do unusually well here invasive ?"=20 =20 Was it to drum up support for field research ? [It is unfortunately lik= ely true that a research proposal to avert some crisis is more likely to be= funded than a proposal to just study the natural world. If there is no cri= sis in sight then it will be expedient to invent some. Surviving cultures a= re those that adopt the trappings that facilitate survival.] =20 Or was it to solicit contributions to save... whatever fits...=3B our = native pristine wetlands...the Acadian Forest... or at least cover the cost= of collecting the contributions ?=20 =20 Proceeding now from the general to the particular=2C if we are to " or= dinarily rule against importation of any non-native species. " I guess this= means we should=2C while there is still time before these non-native speci= es become vicious=2C wipe out the Sable Island Ponies and of course outlaw = most agricultural crops and livestock ( e.g. horses=2C cattle=2C sheep=2C g= oats=2C asparagus=2C potatoes=2C oats=2C barley =2C wheat=2C beets=2C carro= ts=2C tomatoes=2C apple=2C pear=2C ....and rabbits=3B especially rabbits) a= nd=2C to be on the safe side=2C we should bring back non-selective herbicid= es and wipe out the mostly non-native vegetation of lawns=2C ornamental shr= ubs and flower gardens.=20 =20 And if we are going to "ordinarily rule against importation of any non= -native species"=2C and bearing in mind that native species are already her= e and thus do not need to be imported=2C I guess this means that we should = close the border to all trade involving plants (or animals by extension). = =20 =20 Hopefully those non-native plants that travel by wind=2C water=2C flesh= or fowl will do the right thing and bail out before they cross the border= .=20 =20 But on the other hand=2C perhaps those very aggressive invasive species= will be inconsiderate enough to cross the border anyway. In fact that migh= t be a practical working definition of this class. Therefore=2C on this bas= is=2C all plants should be on the white list.=20 =20 Yt=2C Dave Webster=2C Kentville ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James W. Wolford=20 To: NatureNS=20 Sent: Monday=2C October 25=2C 2010 5:25 PM Subject: [NatureNS] re unauthorized vs. OK plants lists Randy's example of purple loosestrife is an instructive case in point. As = I understand it=2C p. l. was imported into North America way back in the ea= rly 1900s? 1930s? or even before that=2C but for unknown reasons didn't bec= ome a large problem and invasive with detriment to native plants and marshe= s until several decades passed. My impression from reading is that this is= a fairly general phenomenon regarding imported alien species=2C so that it= 's difficult to predict which plants will turn out to be invasive. Thus th= e general principle that all jurisdictions need to=2C as a rule=2C untilize= precautionary skepticism and ordinarily rule against importation of any no= n-native species. Cheers? from Jim in Wolfville Begin forwarded message: From: Randy Lauff <randy.lauff@gmail.com> Date: October 25=2C 2010 9:31:31 AM ADT To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: Re: [NatureNS] White list of authorized plants Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca I think the point of a white list=2C as opposed to a banned list is relativ= ely straight forward=2C actually.=20 I do take Marty's point that with huge shipments of goods=2C and also peo