[NatureNS] Poison Ivy

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Kwe Msit Wen:=0A=0AThere is a slight bit of controversy in the Mi'kmaq comm=
unity regarding poison =0Aivy and that is in regards to the name:  In the M=
i'kmaq communities of Eskasoni, =0AMembertou and Metapniagiag, poison ivy i=
s called Kjimskiku while in Elsi'puktuk, =0AMalagawatch, We'koqmaq, Wagmatc=
ook, and elsewhere Kjimskiku refers to sweet =0Agrass (Hierochloe odorata).=
  The argument against it being poison ivy is that =0Athe word itself refer=
s to a grass (skiku-meaning grass) while the prefix means =0Agreat.  Thus K=
jimskiku means "the Great Grass."=0A=0AI have found poison ivy growing in E=
skasoni and fiddle head, near Malagawatch =0Aalong with it on the salt mars=
h trail. Despite the language controversy, almost =0Anone of the reserve re=
sidents knew what poison ivy looked like.  One time, I had =0Aa interesting=
 discussion on the Mi'kmaq nomenclature for poison ivy with an =0AEskasoni =
resident (and the fella absolutely insisting on Kjimskiku being poison =0Ai=
vy)-he asked me why I was so interested in it.  I mentioned that I just wan=
ted =0Ato tell him that he was standing in it.=0A=0AIn NS we have Toxicoden=
dron rydbergii (western poison ivy) and Toxicodendron =0Aradicans (poison i=
vy) growing here.  =0A=0ATuma Young=0AHalifax, NS=0A=0A=0A Koqwaqja'tekaq't=
inej.=0A(Let Us Choose The Correct Behaviour)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________=
_________________=0AFrom: Randy Lauff <randy.lauff@gmail.com>=0ATo: naturen=
s@chebucto.ns.ca=0ASent: Fri, August 27, 2010 12:55:10 PM=0ASubject: Re: [N=
atureNS] re positives and rights of Poison Ivy=0A=0AHey....!  :)=0A=0AIs it=
 just Antigonish Co. beaches that have beautiful populations of PI?=0A=0AA =
few years back I had very bad dermatitis on my lower legs, and all of the =
=0Anurses in turn, then both doctors all looked at me, cringed, and said, "=
Been in =0Athe woods lately?"=0A=0ADeep breath...then I replied, "Poison Iv=
y doesn't grow in the woods around here, =0Ait's predominantly a beach plan=
t, but can be found in other open settings, too." =0AOne of the older docto=
rs became quite gruff at being corrected!=0A=0AI believe we have two specie=
s of PI in the province...does anyone actually see =0API growing well insid=
e the woods (not just at the edges)?=0A=0ARandy=0A=0A______________________=
___________=0ARF Lauff=0AWay in the boonies of=0AAntigonish County, NS.=0A=
=0A=0A=0AOn 27 August 2010 12:24, James W. Wolford <jimwolford@eastlink.ca>=
 wrote:=0A=0AI can't sit back and watch these comments without putting in a=
 plug for =0Abiodiversity (vive la differences) and for native flora specie=
s, all of which =0Ahave rights to existence.  We naturalists should take th=
e trouble to show people =0Ahow to identify problematic plants like poison =
ivy.  For those who lose sleep =0Aabout contacting this plant, stay away fr=
om beaches in the Antigonish area! =0A And, like David says below, it may b=
e spotty in distribution but can be very =0Aabundant where it does occur.=
=0A>=0A>=0A>Cheers from Jim in Wolfville=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Begin forwarded mes=
sage:=0A>=0A>From: "Paul S. Boyer" <psboyer@eastlink.ca>=0A>>Date: August 2=
7, 2010 10:11:05 AM ADT=0A>>To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=0A>>Subject: Re: Po=
ison Ivy: was Re: [NatureNS] blackfly bites, or what are they=0A>>Reply-To:=
 naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>By all means, kill it off.  Pick you=
 choice of method: weed-spray, atomic =0A>>weapons =E2=80=94 but get rid of=
 it.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Leaving it there is like refusing to treat a disease bec=
ause another germ might =0A>>move it.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Aug 25, 2010, at 8:3=
2 PM, David & Alison Webster wrote:=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Hi Paul & All,           =
         Aug 26, 2010=0A>>>  Poison Ivy Is relatively common in the eastern=
 half of Kings Co. but can be =0A>>>readily missed even here because the pl=
ant distribution is highly clustered; =0A>>>e.g. 4 patches of cheek-to-jowl=
 plants that total 2000 sq paces in 50 acres.=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>  It can be =
an irritation but even if one could eradicate some patches at great =0A>>>c=
ost, the resultant bare ground would simply give more invasive plants a =0A=
>>>toehold.=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>YT, DW, Kentville=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>=
>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Pa=
ul S. Boyer" <psboyer@eastlink.ca>=0A>>>To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>=0A>>>=
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:51 AM=0A>>>Subject: Re: [NatureNS] black=
fly bites, or what are they=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>I would rule out t=
he chiggers and the poison ivy.  I am very familiar with =0A>>both.=0A>>>>=
=0A>>>>=0A>>>>The chigger bites I have experienced are never in the spaced,=
 =0A>>>>constellation-distribution you describe.  They also are unlikely to=
 be on open =0A>>>>parts of the legs, but rather where clothing is tight, l=
ike around the =0A>>>>belt-line.=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Poison ivy produces ir=
regular areas of reaction, depending on where the oil from =0A>>>>the leave=
s (and other parts of the plant) has made contact. There is some poison =0A=
>>>>ivy in Nova Scotia, but it is relatively uncommon: I have had to point =
it out to =0A>>>>many long-time residents.  In my opinion, it should be tre=
ated as a noxious =0A>>>>plant, and should be eliminated as quickly as poss=
ible wherever it is found.=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>The location of the spots on=
 your legs suggests more some nettle-like plant, for =0A>>>>some of the var=
ious biting insects which have been suggested would just as =0A>>>>likely h=
ave bitten your arms, next, and upper body parts.=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=
>>=0A>>>>On Aug 22, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Martin Alpert wrote:=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A=
>>>>I walked last thurs into North River Fall, in shorts.=0A>>>>>On my lowe=
r leg I had quite a few, what looked like, black fly bites. Some 40 on =0A>=
>>>>each leg, randomly spaced - not like I brushed into some noxious plant.=