[NatureNS] RE: "female" purple finch?

From: "Wayne P. Neily" <neilyornis@hotmail.com>
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Hello all.

It may be worth noting that it was a Nova Scotian who provided the confirma=
tion that female Purple Finches sing.  I can remember (many years ago) Robi=
e Tufts telling me the story of how Harrison Lewis had determined this.  As=
 in Pat's account=2C Lewis had been observing a nest of the species=2C and =
had just finished checking its contents when a female plumaged bird came in=
=2C sang and settled on the nest.  Lewis watched until it left=2C then chec=
ked the nest again and found one additional egg!  I do not know if Lewis ev=
er published the observation or not=2C but have no reason to doubt the vali=
dity of the story.




 Cheers=2C
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Wayne Neily


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> Date: Fri=2C 26 Feb 2010 12:13:29 -0400
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> From: plchalmers@ns.sympatico.ca
> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] RE: "female" purple finch?
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> According to the Cornell Laboratory of Ornithology's=20
> website=2C http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/search :
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> "Males sing three kinds of songs=2C all including the rich=2C slurred=20
> warbling characteristic of finch songs. There's the "warbling song=2C"=20
> a fast=2C rising and falling string of 6-23 notes often sung while=20
> flocking. Males usually sing a "territory song" alone=3B it begins with=20
> a few notes on the same pitch before breaking into warbling and=20
> ending with a high=2C emphatic note. The third is an up-and-down=20
> cadence of 2-5 notes that sounds similar to a Red-eyed Vireo's=20
> whistled hear-me?-see-me?-here-i-am. Females sing their own songs=2C a=20
> long 1-2 minute warbling from the nest. "
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> I remember reading that there was uncertainty for some time=20
> as to whether the females sang at all=2C since immature males can look=20
> just like them. Then someone who was keeping a breeding pair under=20
> observation=2C saw the female begin to incubate=2C and she sang while=20
> doing so! That clinched it ...
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> Cheers=2C
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> Patricia L. Chalmers
> Halifax
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> At 11:40 AM 26/02/2010=2C Jim Wolford wrote:
> > >does anyone know whether both sexes sing in purple finches?
> > >Purple finches are notoriously variable in just when the young=20
> > males begin to take on the
> > >raspberry-coloured features. -- I invite comments or corrections? Lanc=
e?
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Hello all.
<P><BR>It may be worth noting that it was a Nova Scotian&nbsp=3Bwho provide=
d the confirmation that female Purple Finches sing.&nbsp=3B I can remember =
(many years ago) Robie Tufts telling me the story of how Harrison Lewis had=
 determined this.&nbsp=3B As in&nbsp=3BPat's account=2C Lewis had been obse=
rving a nest of the species=2C and had just finished checking its contents =
when a female plumaged bird came in=2C sang and settled on the nest.&nbsp=
=3B Lewis watched until it left=2C then checked the nest again and found on=
e additional egg!&nbsp=3B I do not know if Lewis ever published the observa=
tion or not=2C but have no reason to doubt the validity of the story.<BR>
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<P class=3DecxecxMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman=
"><STRONG><FONT size=3D5></FONT></STRONG></FONT></SPAN><BR>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp=3BCheers=2C</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp=3B</DIV>
<BR>Wayne Neily<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp=3B
<BR>&gt=3B Date: Fri=2C 26 Feb 2010 12:13:29 -0400<BR>&gt=3B To: naturens@c=
hebucto.ns.ca<BR>&gt=3B From: plchalmers@ns.sympatico.ca<BR>&gt=3B Subject:=
 Re: [NatureNS] RE: "female" purple finch?<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B =
According to the Cornell Laboratory of Ornithology's <BR>&gt=3B website=2C =
http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/search :<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B "Males sin=
g three kinds of songs=2C all including the rich=2C slurred <BR>&gt=3B warb=
ling characteristic of finch songs. There's the "warbling song=2C" <BR>&gt=
=3B a fast=2C rising and falling string of 6-23 notes often sung while <BR>=
&gt=3B flocking. Males usually sing a "territory song" alone=3B it begins w=
ith <BR>&gt=3B a few notes on the same pitch before breaking into warbling =
and <BR>&gt=3B ending with a high=2C emphatic note. The third is an up-and-=
down <BR>&gt=3B cadence of 2-5 notes that sounds similar to a Red-eyed Vire=
o's <BR>&gt=3B whistled hear-me?-see-me?-here-i-am. Females sing their own =
songs=2C a <BR>&gt=3B long 1-2 minute warbling from the nest. "<BR>&gt=3B <=
BR>&gt=3B I remember reading that there was uncertainty for some time <BR>&=
gt=3B as to whether the females sang at all=2C since immature males can loo=
k <BR>&gt=3B just like them. Then someone who was keeping a breeding pair u=
nder <BR>&gt=3B observation=2C saw the female begin to incubate=2C and she =
sang while <BR>&gt=3B doing so! That clinched it ...<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B C=
heers=2C<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B Patricia L. Chalmers<BR>&gt=3B Halifax<BR>&gt=
=3B <BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B At 11:40 AM 26/02/2010=2C Jim Wolford =
wrote:<BR>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3Bdoes anyone know whether both sexes sing in p=
urple finches?<BR>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3BPurple finches are notoriously variab=
le in just when the young <BR>&