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Ken McKenna
Box 218 Stellarton NS
B0K 1S0
902 752-7644
Hi Richard
I tried to call, but your line was busy. I am in for rest of night if you wish to call.
cheers
ken
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Lauff
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Comments on how to move a snapping turtle
Ok, so I'm wearing my anatomists hat (and lab coat) for this one:
I would be interested in the source of that information, Peter. I cannot believe that a tail could be so fragile...there's a lot of tough skin and muscle holding that tail to the body, in addition to the vertebral column. For those of you who have seen many of these turtles, how many have had missing, or partially missing tails? Predation attempts, especially on younger turtles, would result in missing/partial tails if the tail was so fragile. Anyone know if tails grow back in turtles...I don't think so off hand.
Having said that, I have had little hands-on experience with turtles, but I trust Nature to have built critters to withstand that kind of force.
Randy
2009/6/24 Peter & Lorraine Hope <peterhope@ns.sympatico.ca>
I would beg to differ. I have read that for larger turtles this can dislocate the spine by picking all the turtle's weight up on the tail. I think it is an old method and I would never do it for a big turtle.
To get them off a highway I approach from the rear and scoot them along with a sweeping movement of my foot against the back of the shell by the tail. I do so in a series of short moves so I don't flip and don't hurt the turtle. If it is crossing the road push it in the direction it wants to go. They may grip the road but a little push has never damaged toe nails or injured the turtle.
These re the pek days for turtle nesting.
Pete Hope
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Majka
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] snapping turtle pics
Hi folks,
I checked with John Gilhen on this who informed me that carrying a snapping turtle by the base of the tail where it meets the plastron; a) does not cause injury to the turtle; and b) is the safest way of moving one (if you must absolutely do this). You must grasp it at the base of the tail, and not halfway along it, and when carrying it the plastron (i.e., the belly of the turtle) should face your leg, and not the carapace (i.e., the back of the turtle). Trying to grab a snapping turtle by the carapace behind the head could be a very dangerous procedure, given the long, extremely flexible, and agile neck of a snapping turtle.
In general, you should only move a snapping turtle if there is really no other option (i.e., getting it out of the middle of a road). As John said, "Trust me, you do not want to get a bite from a snapper." A snapping turtle can be a really dangerous beast.
Cheers,
Chris
Christopher Majka - Atlantic Canada Coleoptera
http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Environment/NHR/atlantic_coleoptera.html
c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca
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Randy
_________________________________
RF Lauff
Way in the boonies of
Antigonish County, NS.
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<DIV>Ken McKenna<BR>Box 218 Stellarton NS<BR>B0K 1S0<BR>902 752-7644<BR><FONT
size=2 face=Arial>Hi Richard</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I tried to call, but your line was busy. I am in
for rest of night if you wish to call. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>ken</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=randy.lauff@gmail.com href="mailto:randy.lauff@gmail.com">Randy
Lauff</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
href="mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] Comments on how
to move a snapping turtle</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Ok, so I'm wearing my anatomists hat (and lab coat) for this one:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I would be interested in the source of that information, Peter. I cannot
believe that a tail could be so fragile...there's a lot of tough skin and
muscle holding that tail to the body, in addition to the vertebral column. For
those of you who have seen many of these turtles, how many have had missing,
or partially missing tails? Predation attempts, especially on younger turtles,
would result in missing/partial tails if the tail was so fragile. Anyone know
if tails grow back in turtles...I don't think so off hand.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>Having said that, I have had little hands-on experience with turtles, but
I trust Nature to have built critters to withstand that kind of force.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Randy<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2009/6/24 Peter & Lorraine Hope <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:peterhope@ns.sympatico.ca">peterhope@ns.sympatico.ca</A>></SPAN><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I would beg to differ. I have read that for
larger turtles this can dislocate the spine by picking all the turtle's
weight up on the tail. I think it is an old method and I would never do
it for a big turtle.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>To get them off a highway I approach from the
rear and scoot them along with a sweeping movement of my foot against the
back of the shell by the tail. I do so in a series of short moves so I don't
flip and don't hurt the turtle. If it is crossing the road push it in the
direction it wants to go. They may grip the road but a little push has never
damaged toe nails or injured the turtle.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>These re the pek days for turtle
nesting.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Pete Hope</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca href="mailto:c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca"
target=_blank>Christopher Majka</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
href="mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca"
target=_blank>naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:48
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] snapping
turtle pics</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2
face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>Hi folks,
<DIV>
<DIV>I checked with John Gilhen on this who informed me that carrying a snapping turtle by the base of the tail where it meets the plastron; a) does not cause injury to the turtle; and b) is the safest way of moving one (if you must absolutely do this). You must grasp
it at the <I>base</I> of the tail, and not halfway along it, and when carrying it the plastron (i.e.,
the belly of the turtle) should face your leg, and not the
carapace (i.e., the back of the turtle). Trying to grab a snapping turtle
by the carapace behind the head could be a very dangerous procedure, given
the long, extremely flexible, and agile neck of a snapping
turtle. </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>In general, you should only move a snapping turtle if there is really
no other option (i.e., getting it out of the middle of a road). As John
said, "Trust me, you do not want to get a bite from a snapper." A snapping
turtle can be a really dangerous beast.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2
face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Chris</DIV></DIV><BR><BR>
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<DIV>Christopher Majka - Atlantic Canada Coleoptera</DIV>
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href="http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Environment/NHR/atlantic_coleoptera.html"
target=_blank>http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Environment/NHR/atlantic_coleoptera.html</A></DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca"
target=_blank>c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca</A></DIV>
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