[NatureNS] carbon tax/price vs. or in addition to cap and trade system

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Thanks to all who have pushed the envelope here, beginning with =20
Blake, to "do what's right" right now by discussing this most =20
important crisis for the world and our beloved nature/biodiversity/=20
ecosystems and what societies can and should be doing to grossly =20
reduce our footprints/emissions.  =46rom what I have been picking up =20
mostly from listening to various interviews with experts and the most =20=

recent Quirks and Quarks show that Peter so conveniently served up to =20=

us, carbon taxes should not be thought of as alternatives to cap and =20
trade, but rather are two tools that probably both should be =20
implemented.  As I understand it, Europe now for 10 years or more has =20=

been evolving their controls and figuring out exactly what works best =20=

and in what combination; and of course British Columbia is doing the =20
same thing now, but is in the very early stages of that, since their =20
carbon tax  only came into effect on April 1/08.

We've only got about 10 more days to keep finding out what we can and =20=

discussing all of this as widely as possible.

P.S. I too agree that the only thing worse/worst than a Harper =20
minority government would be a Harper majority!

Cheers from Jim

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Paul S. Boyer" <psboyer@eastlink.ca>
> Date: October 2, 2008 9:21:39 AM ADT
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Nova Scotia's nature and the federal election
> Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>
> Another article on Norway's carbon tax points out that since the =20
> inception of this tax, Norway's carbon footprint has increased =20
> 14%.  Yet another article says that it has decreased 14%, but only =20
> 2% of the decrease is attributable to the tax [http://=20
> ideas.repec.org/p/ssb/dispap/337.html].  Meanwhile, other countries =20=

> without a carbon tax have had their footprint decrease (notably the =20=

> USA).  The Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday that the carbon =20
> footprint in Norway has increased 15% since the tax was instituted =20
> [http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2008/09/30/emissions-=20
> impossible-norway-taxes-carbon-emissions-rise/].  According to the =20
> article, Norwegians are buying more, bigger, and more expensive =20
> cars, and are driving more.  They like the lifestyle.  (I think =20
> joie de vivre in Norwegian is glede for liv.)  They are doing fine, =20=

> with much petroleum production, and one of the highest wealth-=20
> levels in the world.  Their new tax probably has essentially no =20
> practical or measurable effect on world climatic conditions =20
> whatsoever, and the policy is not transferable to other countries =20
> whose situations may be quite different.  However, although the tax =20=

> is reportedly highly unpopular among some (see "Carbon tax tops =20
> Norway grievances" at http://www.scandoil.com/moxie-bm2/financial/=20
> politics_/carbon-tax-tops-list-of-norway.shtml), it must make =20
> others satisfied, perhaps emotionally =97 and anyway, they are =20
> enjoying life in spite of it.  Good for them!
>
> Politicians generally like new taxes.  Whether taxes ever do any =20
> good is a matter of debate, but any rationale will suffice.  When =20
> taxes are openly proposed, the poison is usually sugar-coated in =20
> some way: the benefit will help some worthy goal, or it will only =20
> hurt someone we really don't like anyway (such as the envied rich, =20
> or corporations).  I have no idea why otherwise kindly and =20
> intelligent people fall for these scams so readily.  Do we think =20
> that government is a god that should be in charge of all our =20
> activities in every detail, and should take and give according to =20
> some divine wisdom?
>
> In the old days, various deities were thought to control the =20
> weather.  I think that Thor was one of them.  Now we want =20
> government to take charge, and we get quite worked up and emotional =20=

> against the imagined heretics who are thought to be responsible for =20=

> climatic inconveniences, and we become very devout toward the good =20
> spirits who will rescue us if we only will ritualistically offer =20
> them the proper, heartfelt obeisance on election day.
>
> By the way, I chuckled at the phrase "being clobbered by market =20
> forces."  That is just a variant of "being mugged by reality."  I =20
> suspect all of us, deep down, resent practical restraints.
>
> =97PSB
>
> On 1 Oct 2008, at 6:41 PM, David & Alison Webster wrote:
>
>> Hi All,                Oct 1, 2008
>>   The October 2008 Issue of Canadian Geographic has an interesting =20=

>> article on Norway and how they have prospered since a carbon tax =20
>> was introduced 16 (yes, sixteen) years ago. Large oil royalties no =20=

>> doubt helped.
>>
>>   Politics is usually about choosing the lesser of evils but the =20
>> carbon tax idea introduces a good option, because it will =20
>> encourage people to adapt to the future and thus avoid being =20
>> clobbered by market forces.
>>
>>   E.g. a small privately owned company, LS9 Inc., has developed a =20
>> way to produce oil from carbon-rich waste at an anticipated cost =20
>> of $50/barrel. If this pans out, it will be the greatest energy =20
>> advance since the Carnot (sp?) Cycle. All done so far without a =20
>> carbon tax but how else can a tiny company take on Petrochemical =20
>> giants and win ?
>>     A small private Canadian company (don't recall name) has for =20
>> some years had a pilot scale microbial procedure for producing =20
>> ethanol from any carbon rich material but had to go to Germany and =20=

>> the US to obtain government funding to build a commercial scale =20
>> plant (don't know how this turned out and funding may have dried up).
>>
>>   Plasco Energy Group Inc, another small privately held company, =20
>> is poised to turn Red Deer trash into electrical power.
>>
>>   Somewhere recently I read that killing plant manure, a difficult =20=

>> waste disposal problem, has taken a new shine as a potential =20
>> source of methane (for energy production) and the idea is again =20
>> emerging that even relatively small livestock operations can =20
>> exploit methane to save on energy costs.
>>
>>   Any Popular Science or Popular Mechanics magazine from ~1978 =20
>> sounds contemporary; same approaches, older technology. And when =20
>> the petrochemical industry felt threatened they increased =20
>> production enough to put these alternative energy companies out of =20=

>> business.
>>
>>   Without the shelter provided by a carbon tax there is a danger =20
>> that the mistakes of 40 years ago will be repeated and all these =20
>> positive developments, for the environment (and countless others), =20=

>> will end up bankrupt.
>>
>> Yt, DW
>>
>> Rob Woods wrote:
>>
>>> Just to give a different perspective on the the upcoming election =20=

>>> here are my choices:
>>>
>>>
>>> As person who has long enjoyed the outdoors, recycles, farms as =20
>>> organically as possible and until recently on the board of =20
>>> directors of  a Windfield company I would like to vote green.
>>>
>>>
>>> As a Farmer any carbon taxes on fuel scares the living daylights =20
>>> out of me as cash flows will be adversely affected and no =20
>>> guarentee that I can recoupe the additional costs or qualify for =20
>>> the programs created to help farmers. (I do not need new farm =20
>>> equipment at this time nor does the Farmer I rent equipment from =20
>>> either as the capital cost is too great vs the fuel and =20
>>> efficiency savings).
>>>
>>>
>>> My sitting representative falsely accused the CEO of my current =20
>>> employer of insider trading when he himself sent emails regarding =20=

>>> changes in income trusts before it was publicly announced.
>>>
>>>
>>> A conservative party whose tax policies help my middle class =20
>>> pocket book but also stopped the sale/split of my employer (which =20=

>>> most employees saw as beneficial). The conservatives are also not =20=

>>> supportive of the environmental innitiatives that I would like to =20=

>>> see.
>>>
>>>
>>> And the NDP party whose heart is in the right place but I think =20
>>> would financially tax the country into an economic crash to cover =20=

>>> all the increased spending.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thus 5 choices and no clear answer. An independant would look =20
>>> really good right now (Mr Casey, please switch ridings).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob Woods
>>>
>>> Georgefield NS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Wayne P. Neily <neilyornis@hotmail.com>
>>> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 2:21:21 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Nova Scotia's nature and the federal =20
>>> election
>>>
>>> Hello folks,
>>>    While most of us would agree with Blake that a Harper majority =20=

>>> would be a disaster for Canada, I would hope that most would vote =20=

>>> for the party that has the best understanding of, and solutions =20
>>> for, environmental issues, unless you are in a constituency where =20=

>>> there is a real danger that the regressive conservatives might =20
>>> eke out a narrow victory.  This idea of exchanging votes =20
>>> strategically may have merit, but it depends on complete trust =20
>>> between the persons doing the exchange and so is subject to =20
>>> abuse, as well as to wrong guesses as to which party would have =20
>>> the best chance of an upset.     At the risk of sounding =20
>>> political (I have not yet decided whom to vote for), I am envious =20=

>>> of the residents of Central Nova, who not only have a chance to =20
>>> elect the leader best informed on environmental issues (and the =20
>>> only female), but to defeat Peter MacKayavelli, who is an =20
>>> embarrassment to Canadians still best known for his betrayal of =20
>>> the PCs by breaking the promise that he gave in writing to get =20
>>> the leadership of the party.  No wonder that he couldn't =20
>>> understand what all the fuss was about when Harper decided that =20
>>> the government should disregard (or break) the Atlantic Accords.  =20=

>>> We can only hope that enough of the voters there will think =20
>>> carefully, instead of just voting for a favorite son of a =20
>>> favorite son.
>>>
>>>    Think Green!
>>>
>>> Wayne Neily
>>> Tremont, Kings Co., Nova Scotia
>>>
>>> "Think globally, Act locally." - Ren=E9 Dubos, 1972.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------=20=

>>> ----
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:59:01 -0300
>>> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>>> From: maybank@ns.sympatico.ca
>>> Subject: [NatureNS] Nova Scotia's nature and the federal election
>>>
>>> Hi All;
>>>
>>> I care deeply for the nature of Nova Scotia, and the environment =20
>>> of the world.  Consequently, it is necessary to get political at =20
>>> times.   This is one of those times.
>>>
>>> I shudder at the thought of Harper achieving a majority =20
>>> government.  The environment, our culture, and our society will =20
>>> suffer.  But how can we make our anti-Harper votes count?   =20
>>> Fortunately, voting strategically is now much easier. Go to:
>>>
>>> www.voteforenvironment.com <http://www.voteforenvironment.com/>
>>>
>>> It is a remarkable website that is tracking every riding in the =20
>>> country, and making up-to-the-minute suggestions on how best to =20
>>> fight Harper.
>>>
>>> And afterwards, I urge you to contact your friends, family, =20
>>> colleagues, and everyone on your e-mail list, and let them know =20
>>> about this web site.  If we can affect the results in some key =20
>>> ridings, who knows what might happen?   Our environment and our =20
>>> society deserve our support.
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Blake Maybank
>>> White's Lake, NS
>>> maybank@ns.sympatico.ca
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------=20=

>>> ----
>>> Get your information fix on your phone. With MSN Mobile you get =20
>>> regular news, sports and  finance updates. Try it today! <http://=20
>>> www.msnmobile.ca/>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


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Thanks to all who have pushed the envelope here, beginning with Blake, =
to "do what's right" right now by discussing this most important crisis =
for the world and our beloved nature/biodiversity/ecosystems and what =
societies can and should be doing to grossly reduce our =
footprints/emissions. =A0=46rom what I have been picking up mostly from =
listening to various interviews with experts and the most recent Quirks =
and Quarks show that Peter so conveniently served up to us, carbon taxes =
should not be thought of as alternatives to cap and trade, but rather =
are two tools that probably both should be implemented. =A0As I =
understand it, Europe now for 10 years or more has been evolving their =
controls and figuring out exactly what works best and in what =
combination; and of course British Columbia is doing the same thing now, =
but is in the very early stages of that, since their carbon tax =A0only =
came into effect on April 1/08.=A0<div><br></div><div>We've only got =
about 10 more days to keep finding out what we can and discussing all of =
this as widely as possible.</div><div><br></div><div>P.S. I too agree =
that the only thing worse/worst than a Harper minority government would =
be a Harper majority!=A0<div><br></div><div>Cheers from =
Jim<br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>From: =
</b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica">"Paul S. Boyer" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:psboyer@eastlink.ca">psboyer@eastlink.ca</a>></font></div><=
div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Date: =
</b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica">October 2, 2008 9:21:39 AM ADT</font></div><div =
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margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>To: </b></font><font =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><a =
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a></font>=
</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: =
#000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><b>Re: [NatureNS] Nova Scotia's nature =
and the federal election</b></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Reply-To: </b></font><font =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><a =
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a></font>=
</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> Another article on =
Norway's carbon tax points out that since the inception of this tax, =
Norway's carbon footprint has increased 14%. =A0Yet another article says =
that it has decreased 14%, but only 2% of the decrease is attributable =
to the tax [<a =
href=3D"http://ideas.repec.org/p/ssb/dispap/337.html">http://ideas.repec.o=
rg/p/ssb/dispap/337.html</a>]. =A0Meanwhile, other countries without a =
carbon tax have had their footprint decrease (notably the USA). =A0The =
<i>Wall Street Journal</i> reported on Tuesday that the carbon footprint =
in Norway has increased 15% since the tax was instituted [<a =
href=3D"http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2008/09/30/emissions-imp=
ossible-norway-taxes-carbon-emissions-rise/">http://blogs.wsj.com/environm=
entalcapital/2008/09/30/emissions-impossible-norway-taxes-carbon-emissions=
-rise/</a>]. =A0According to the article, Norwegians are buying more, =
bigger, and more expensive cars, and are driving more. =A0They like the =
lifestyle. =A0(I think <i>joie de vivre</i> in Norwegian is <i>glede for =
liv</i>.) =A0They are doing fine, with much petroleum production, and =
one of the highest wealth-levels in the world. =A0Their new tax probably =
has essentially no practical or measurable effect on world climatic =
conditions whatsoever, and the policy is not transferable to other =
countries whose situations may be quite different. =A0However, although =
the tax is reportedly highly unpopular among some (see "Carbon tax tops =
Norway grievances" at=A0<a =
href=3D"http://www.scandoil.com/moxie-bm2/financial/politics_/carbon-tax-t=
ops-list-of-norway.shtml)">http://www.scandoil.com/moxie-bm2/financial/pol=
itics_/carbon-tax-tops-list-of-norway.shtml)</a>, it must make others =
satisfied, perhaps emotionally =97 and anyway, they are enjoying life in =
spite of it. =A0Good for them!<div><br></div><div>Politicians generally =
like new taxes. =A0Whether taxes ever do any good is a matter of debate, =
but any rationale will suffice. =A0When taxes are openly proposed, the =
poison is usually sugar-coated in some way: the benefit will help some =
worthy goal, or it will only hurt someone we really don't like anyway =
(such as the envied rich, or corporations). =A0I have no idea why =
otherwise kindly and intelligent people fall for these scams so readily. =
=A0Do we think that government is a god that should be in charge of all =
our activities in every detail, and should take and give according to =
some divine wisdom?</div><div><br></div><div>In the old days, various =
deities were thought to control the weather. =A0I think that Thor was =
one of them. =A0Now we want government to take charge, and we get quite =
worked up and emotional against the imagined heretics who are thought to =
be responsible for climatic inconveniences, and we become very devout =
toward the good spirits who will rescue us if we only will =
ritualistically offer them the proper, heartfelt obeisance on election =
day.</div><div><br></div><div>By the way, I chuckled at the phrase =
"being clobbered by market forces." =A0That is just a variant of "being =
mugged by reality." =A0I suspect all of us, deep down, resent practical =
restraints.</div><div><br></div><div style=3D"font-size: 13px; =
">=97PSB</div><div><br><div><div>On 1 Oct 2008, at 6:41 PM, David &amp; =
Alison Webster wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Hi =
All, =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Oct 1, 2008<br> =A0=A0Th=
e October 2008 Issue of Canadian Geographic has an interesting article =
on Norway and how they have prospered since a carbon tax was introduced =
16 (yes, sixteen) years ago. Large oil royalties no doubt =
helped.<br><br> =A0=A0Politics is usually about choosing the lesser of =
evils but the carbon tax idea introduces a good option, because it will =
encourage people to adapt to the future and thus avoid being clobbered =
by market forces.<br><br> =A0=A0E.g. a small privately owned company, =
LS9 Inc., has developed a way to produce oil from carbon-rich waste at =
an anticipated cost of $50/barrel. If this pans out, it will be the =
greatest energy advance since the Carnot (sp?) Cycle. All done so far =
without a carbon tax but how else can a tiny company take on =
Petrochemical giants and win ?<br> =A0=A0=A0=A0A small private Canadian =
company (don't recall name) has for some years had a pilot scale =
microbial procedure for producing ethanol from any carbon rich material =
but had to go to Germany and the US to obtain government funding to =
build a commercial scale plant (don't know how this turned out and =
funding may have dried up).<br><br> =A0=A0Plasco Energy Group Inc, =
another small privately held company, is poised to turn Red Deer trash =
into electrical power.<br><br> =A0=A0Somewhere recently I read that =
killing plant manure, a difficult waste disposal problem, has taken a =
new shine as a potential source of methane (for energy production) and =
the idea is again emerging that even relatively small livestock =
operations can exploit methane to save on energy costs.<br><br> =A0=A0Any =
Popular Science or Popular Mechanics magazine from ~1978 sounds =
contemporary; same approaches, older technology. And when the =
petrochemical industry felt threatened they increased production enough =
to put these alternative energy companies out of business.<br><br> =
=A0=A0Without the shelter provided by a carbon tax there is a danger =
that the mistakes of 40 years ago will be repeated and all these =
positive developments, for the environment (and countless others), will =
end up bankrupt.<br><br>Yt, DW<br> =A0<br>Rob Woods =
wrote:<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">Just to give a different =
perspective on the the upcoming election here are my =
choices:<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">As person who has long =
enjoyed the outdoors, recycles, farms as organically as possible and =
until recently on the board of directors of =A0a Windfield company I =
would like to vote green.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">As a Farmer any carbon taxes =
on fuel scares the living daylights out of me as cash flows will be =
adversely affected and no guarentee that I can recoupe the additional =
costs or qualify for the programs created to help farmers. (I do not =
need new farm equipment at this time nor does the Farmer I rent =
equipment from either as the capital cost is too great vs the fuel and =
efficiency savings).<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">My sitting =
representative falsely accused the CEO of my current employer of insider =
trading when he himself sent emails regarding changes in income trusts =
before it was publicly announced.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">A conservative party whose =
tax policies help my middle class pocket book but also stopped the =
sale/split of my employer (which most employees saw as beneficial). The =
conservatives are also not supportive of the environmental innitiatives =
that I would like to see.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">And the NDP party whose heart =
is in the right place but I think would financially tax the country into =
an economic crash to cover all the increased =
spending.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Thus 5 choices and no clear =
answer. An independant would look really good right now (Mr Casey, =
please switch ridings).<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> <br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Rob Woods<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Georgefield =
NS<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"> <br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">----- Original Message =
----<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">From: Wayne P. Neily =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:neilyornis@hotmail.com">neilyornis@hotmail.com</a>><br></bl=
ockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a><br></b=
lockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 =
2:21:21 PM<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Subject: RE: =
[NatureNS] Nova Scotia's nature and the federal =
election<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Hello =
folks,<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =A0=A0=A0While most of =
us would agree with Blake that a Harper majority would be a disaster for =
Canada, I would hope that most would vote for the party that has the =
best understanding of, and solutions for, environmental issues, unless =
you are in a constituency where there is a real danger that the =
regressive conservatives might eke out a narrow victory. =A0This idea of =
exchanging votes strategically may have merit, but it depends on =
complete trust between the persons doing the exchange and so is subject =
to abuse, as well as to wrong guesses as to which party would have the =
best chance of an upset. =A0=A0=A0=A0At the risk of sounding political =
(I have not yet decided whom to vote for), I am envious of the residents =
of Central Nova, who not only have a chance to elect the leader best =
informed on environmental issues (and the only female), but to defeat =
Peter MacKayavelli, who is an embarrassment to Canadians still best =
known for his betrayal of the PCs by breaking the promise that he gave =
in writing to get the leadership of the party. =A0No wonder that he =
couldn't understand what all the fuss was about when Harper decided that =
the government should disregard (or break) the Atlantic Accords. =A0We =
can only hope that enough of the voters there will think carefully, =
instead of just voting for a favorite son of a favorite =
son.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =A0=A0=A0Think =
Green!<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Wayne =
Neily<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Tremont, Kings Co., Nova =
Scotia<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">"Think =
globally, Act locally." - Ren=E9 Dubos, =
1972.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">------------------------------------------------------------=
------------<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Date: Wed, 1 Oct =
2008 07:59:01 -0300<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a><br></b=
lockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">From: <a =
href=3D"mailto:maybank@ns.sympatico.ca">maybank@ns.sympatico.ca</a><br></b=
lockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Subject: [NatureNS] Nova Scotia's =
nature and the federal election<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi =
All;<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">I care deeply =
for the nature of Nova Scotia, and the environment of the world. =
=A0Consequently, it is necessary to get political at times. =A0=A0This =
is one of those times.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">I shudder at =
the thought of Harper achieving a majority government. =A0The =
environment, our culture, and our society will suffer. =A0But how can we =
make our anti-Harper votes count? =A0=A0Fortunately, voting =
strategically is now much easier. Go to:<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">www.voteforenvironment.com &lt;<a =
href=3D"http://www.voteforenvironment.com/">http://www.voteforenvironment.=
com/</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">It is a =
remarkable website that is tracking every riding in the country, and =
making up-to-the-minute suggestions on how best to fight =
Harper.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">And afterwards, =
I urge you to contact your friends, family, colleagues, and everyone on =
your e-mail list, and let them know about this web site. =A0If we can =
affect the results in some key ridings, who knows what might happen? =
=A0=A0Our environment and our society deserve our support. =
<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Respectfully,<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Blake =
Maybank<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">White's Lake, =
NS<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><a =
href=3D"mailto:maybank@ns.sympatico.ca">maybank@ns.sympatico.ca</a><br></b=
lockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">------------------------------------------------------------=
------------<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Get your =
information fix on your phone. With MSN Mobile you get regular news, =
sports and =A0finance updates. Try it today! &lt;<a =
href=3D"http://www.msnmobile.ca/">http://www.msnmobile.ca/</a>><br></block=
quote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div>=
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