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Index of Subjects --Apple-Mail-155--191404841 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bernard, I think there must have been some sort of mixup in the photo links =20 that Andrew (who is away on vacation at the moment) sent to Alphonso =20 Rojo to examine. I'm convinced the skeleton depicted in your photos on: http://bernieb.smugmug.com/gallery/916397_ynXPk/5/48802228_Th9z3/Medium Is an Ocean Pout, Macrozoarces americanus (Schneider). I sent these =20 photos directly to John Gilhen who agreed that it is an Ocean Pout. =20 John originally also saw a skeleton on Andrew's computer screen which =20= he thought was a goosefish, but when I forwarded him your photos =20 directly he realized that they were of a completely different fish. A Goosefish (Monkfish, Devilfish, etc.) (Lophius americanus =20 Valenciennes) is shaped completely differently. It is strongly dorso-=20 laterally flattened with an extremely wide mouth. The pectoral fins =20 are very stubby and foot-like and are situated at the extreme apicies =20= of this very flattened body. The shape of the bones in the head are =20 completely different from those depicted in your photograph as you can =20= see from the links below: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:AmericanAngler.jpg http://www.diatribune.com/book/export/html/2772 The shape of the lower jaw of the fish depicted in your photo: http://bernieb.smugmug.com/gallery/916397_ynXPk/5/48802231_gLtUb/Medium Is much narrower and more pointed than the extremely wide mouth of the =20= goosefish. I'd suggest that you send the photos directly Alphonso, let =20= him know that John Gilhen considers that it is an Ocean Pout, and ask =20= his opinion on them. Cheers! Chris On 13-Aug-08, at 7:29 AM, Bernard Burke wrote: > All > Near the start of this month I posted some photos of fish bones my =20 > sister Rita had taken for which we wondered of its identity. > http://bernieb.smugmug.com/gallery/916397_ynXPk/5/48802228_Th9z3/=20 > Medium > Andrew Hebda forwarded the photo links to Alphonso Rojo and here was =20= > his interpretation: > > "It is a Lophius americanus. The upper mandible is disconnected. By =20= > its shape, its gape, and teeth there is no doubt. > I checked other bones, but the picture doesn't show them very well. =20= > I checked them at home. There is no other fish with these features. > > The popular name of the fish is angler or devil=92s fish. It is =20 > considered to be a different species of the European Lophius =20 > piscatorius." > > After requesting and obtaining permission to post his interpretation =20= > here, he did however indicate to me that he wanted to emphasize it =20 > would be preferable to see the bones to be 100% certain, being that =20= > relying on a picture there is always a possible small margin of error. > > Thanks again to those who responded and assisted in our inquiry. > > Bernard Burke > > blburke@ns.sympatico.ca > > Dartmouth > > > Christopher Majka Nova Scotia Museum, 1747 Summer St., Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada B3H =20= 3A6 c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca --Apple-Mail-155--191404841 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi = Bernard,<div><br></div><div>I think there must have been some sort of = mixup in the photo links that Andrew (who is away on vacation at the = moment) sent to Alphonso Rojo to examine. I'm convinced the = skeleton depicted in your photos on:</div><div><br></div><div><a = href=3D"http://bernieb.smugmug.com/gallery/916397_ynXPk/5/48802228_Th9z3/M= edium">http://bernieb.smugmug.com/gallery/916397_ynXPk/5/48802228_Th9z3/Me= dium</a></div><div><br></div><div>Is an Ocean Pout, <i>Macrozoarces = americanus</i> (Schneider). I sent these photos directly to John = Gilhen who agreed that it is an Ocean Pout. John originally also saw a = skeleton on Andrew's computer screen which he thought was a goosefish, = but when I forwarded him your photos directly he realized that they were = of a completely different fish.</div><div><br></div><div>A Goosefish = (Monkfish, Devilfish, etc.) (<i>Lophius americanus = </i>Valenciennes) is shaped completely differently. It is strongly = dorso-laterally flattened with an extremely wide mouth. The = pectoral fins are very stubby and foot-like and are situated at the = extreme apicies of this very flattened body. The shape of the bones in = the head are completely different from those depicted in your photograph = as you can see from the links below:</div><div><br></div><div><a = href=3D"http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:AmericanAngler.jpg">http:/= /commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:AmericanAngler.jpg</a></div><div><a = href=3D"http://www.diatribune.com/book/export/html/2772">http://www.diatri= bune.com/book/export/html/2772</a></div><div><br></div><div>The shape of = the lower jaw of the fish depicted in your = photo:</div><div><br></div><div><a = href=3D"http://bernieb.smugmug.com/gallery/916397_ynXPk/5/48802231_gLtUb/M= edium">http://bernieb.smugmug.com/gallery/916397_ynXPk/5/48802231_gLtUb/Me= dium</a></div><div><br></div><div>Is much narrower and more pointed than = the extremely wide mouth of the goosefish. I'd suggest that you send the = photos directly Alphonso, let him know that John Gilhen considers = that it is an Ocean Pout, and ask his opinion on = them.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers!</div><div><br></div><div>Chris</div= ><div> </div><div><div><div>On 13-Aug-08, at 7:29 AM, Bernard Burke = wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: = separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; = text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"><div><font = face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">All</font></div><div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2">Near the start of