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Hi All, Feb 7, 2008 It is important to distinguish between current activity and projected future activity. When we walked 50, 40 and even 30 years ago we seldom encountered other hikers. Now hikers, snowshoers etc. are abundant. But the age distribution, strongly skewed to the right, suggests a transient peak that will flicker out in 30 years or so. So any source that enables past and present age distributions to be constructed for various nature related activities would be instructive. And some outdoor activities are more body worship (trail bikes) or machine worship (using dune buggies to create a permanent lacework of tracks in the Sonoran desert) than nature worship. Trail bikes south of Kentville cause about 1000 times as much soil erosion into transient streams as does logging on the same sites. . Computer games and sunrise-to-sunrise passive entertainments are just recent forces in a process that has been building from many directions for about 50 years; physical and mental isolation from nature. But computer games and alphabet soup pods are especially addictive. Based on experience with a 12 year old, who lives for computer games, a child will quickly appreciate being in the woods if you can just manage to get them there. Some of these forces have actively turned the public at large and especially the young away/off by denying active participation; e.g. the 'look but don't touch' school of non-thought. Or by portraying any participation other than looking to be undesirable, e.g. asking a prominent nature artist, "Who do you think you are ?" in a scolding tone when she picked a leaf to examine it more closely or park staff scolding a 5-year-old for having picked up a snake to show the group-- the impressionable and especially the young are coerced into being non-participants. Another force is the secret society effect, e.g. I must not disclose the location of this unusually old tree lest 'people' do it harm--- and this comes in subtle elitist forms that amount to 'We know best and can be trusted but you know nothing and can not be trusted'. Not only does this turn people off but it often backfires; harm comes precisely because location is unknown. Over time, fewer people have grown up on a farm or in a truly rural environment where one is immersed in nature, as they now say, 24/7. And a truly rural upbringing gives rise to a sense of belonging outdoors, being at home there and, until parks became more numerous, an assumption that one could walk, build fires for warmth or cooking and camp overnight wherever convenient. It has been my experience that people with an urban upbringing tend to feel like intruders except in parks or other places set aside for public use. And nature is something you buy in a packaged trip or visit in an interpretation centre. I can not cite chapter and verse but hunters both in Canada and the US were the force behind formation of the pioneering National Parks and over time, hunters and fishermen have lobbied most effectively for conservation and paid the bills. The Audubon Society started, as I recall, as a byproduct of a Forest and Stream Magazine. Thanks largely to vocal know-nothings, hunters are now widely regarded as unfortunate throwbacks to more primitive times and the demographics, so I understand, hint at endangered species condition. Of course more than perception is involved. Hunting and fishing, at their best, can be very hard physical and mental work. Someone who has the handicaps of flab for muscles and fat for brains will tend not to appreciate the experience. In a democratic society, ideas that do not have broadly based support tend to wither and die. The decline of hunting and sport fishing will predictably lead to a large decline in support for conservation. And then there is the pointy headed contingent who e.g. rule that hikers/campers shall not have open fires when in the Chignecto Park but must lug in petrochemical fuels and burners. These people apparently don't understand that wood grows on trees. Fifty years ago the US Forest Service had the dogma that every twig in the forest litter was vital and must not be gathered for firewood. Campers were required to burn wood sold by the parks for this purpose; usually green, wet, large and noncombustible so when camping then I gathered wood from some roadside in advance. It has subsequently been recognized that too much litter and deadwood is undesirable and prescribed burns to clear the deck are now part of forest and parkland (e.g. Jasper) management. Why pay someone to houseclean every hundred years or so when campers and hikers can do it, at least along a narrow band, as part of normal usage ? When going to the candy store why break heads, pollute oceans and increase CO2 emissions so you can make artificial candy from petrochemicals and then lug it to the candy store ? Mankind is the fire animal. Fire made otherwise inedible foods nourishing and until very recent times, fire has been part of everyone's environment. So it should come as no surprise that people and especially young people connect with a campfire in an emotional or spiritual way. Fire is not only a great way to dry out after a downpour or an accidental dunking , and a source of warmth, but fire and skill with fire is a comfort. Skill with fire is at the heart of feeling at home well back in the woods because with dry matches and a hand axe one can if necessary weather any storm. And an outside fire is the best way I know of to convince kids that parks, camping and being outdoors is fun. And having a high regard for nature follows from being outdoors in natural surroundings and enjoying it. So way to go guys-- 'if you are having fun then it must be a sin so stop it and don't smile; ever'. This aspect reminds me of a full page public service add I saw some years ago (and did not save it darn it !) explaining how to build a campfire. It sounded way too complicated for mere humans to master but the last line was the giveaway; to the effect; 'After you have lit the fire make sure the match is entirely out before you throw it away'. Anyone who has even seen a fire being lit would know that one leaves the match in the burning tinder at the very start of the process. Or, if by chance the fire does take off strongly then the obvious place to discard the match is in the fire. But I am optimistic because tides go in and out but the ocean remains. It has been discovered many times that art is nature and nature is art and this, like the physical and emotional warmth of fire will not be permanently lost. Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville Blake Maybank wrote: > To All; > > A recently published study gave me great pause. You can find a > synopsis here: > > http://tinyurl.com/2e6jdl > > The original on-line journal article that this article cites is > limited to