[NatureNS] on apostrophes in geographical names

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:34:29 -0300
From: George Forsyth <g4syth@staff.ednet.ns.ca>
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On 11, Oct 2006, at 12:31 PM, Patrick Kelly wrote:

>> On Oct 11, 2006, at 11:29 AM, Jim Wolford wrote:
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>> Jon's right, of course, but there is an issue here that needs a =20
>> crusader?  I
>> look at it as both a heritage issue and a grammar issue (not just the
>> latter, as some of you might suspect).  I think the current lists of
>> "official place names" are doing a huge cop-out by taking all the
>> apostrophes out of those names.  If this is allowed to go on for much
>> longer, nobody alive will know what the original names' origins =20
>> really were
>> (or is it too late now, or nobody cares but me?).  Anyhow, this =20
>> probably
>> doesn't deserve any discussion here now.  Blame Jon for bringing this =
=20
>> up,
>> and my use of apostrophes, often hypothetically, is intentional -- =20=

>> e.g.
>> King's County, Starr's Point, etc. etc. --
>
>>  does anyone know where the name
>> Hants came from in Hants County??
>>
>
> This is from the Wikipedia entry for Hants County (also no apostrophe =20=

> in Hants:
>
> Hants County is a county in the Canadian province of Nova Scotia.
> The county of Hants was created June 17, 1781, and consisted of the =20=

> townships of Windsor, Falmouth and Newport. Originally getting its =20
> name from the County of Southamptonshire in England, now known as =20
> Hampshire, and abbreviated to Hants, the County was established out of =
=20
> part of what had been Kings County. The words of the minutes of the =20=

> Council of Nova Scotia for June 17, 1781 make it clear that the =20
> distance from Horton (the County town of Kings County) and the =20
> inconvenience of crossing the Avon River to transact county business =20=

> were factors which led to a separate county being formed.
> Four and a half years later its boundaries were more precisely defined =
=20
> and set forth by the Governor and Council in 1785. The boundary lines =20=

> of Hants were duly surveyed and confirmed by the Lieutenant Governor =20=

> 1828.
> Subsequently in 1861, Hants County was divided into two Districts =20
> called East Hants and West Hants.
>
>
>
> The issue of apostrophes is an interesting one. I thought that the =20
> main reason they were dropped was because where we have so much =20
> coastline, it was to avoid the potential on nautical charts for an =20
> apostrophe to be mistake for a rock, or more importantly, a rock from =20=

> being mistaken for an apostrophe.
>
> I don't know if Kings County was ever spelled with an apostrophe.  =20
> This is consistent with a late-1800s map of the area around Galway =20
> that I saw while in Ireland over the summer. In Ireland everything is =20=

> described with respect to the county, something you rarely see here. =20=

> Any way, the map showed County Kings to the east of County Galway. =20
> Having spent lot of time preparing for the trip, I knew that modern =20=

> Ireland has no Co. Kings; it is now called Co. Westmeath, and I expect =
=20
> it was renamed after the formation of the republic.... and since it is =
=20
> west of Co. Meath=85
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> Last year I purchased the reprint of the Historical Atlas of the =20
> Maritime Provinces 1878, (Nimbus Publishing). It has Kings and Queens =20=

> for the counties in N.S. N.B., and P.E.I. and Hants, also without an =20=

> apostrophe.  (One oddity about the map that I have found is that there =
=20
> are communities of Rawdon, Sth. Rawdon, and Upr. Rawdon, yet the =20
> district around them is called Randon. I am guessing it is a typo=85 =
It =20
> is also interesting that Kings County only had three districts =20
> (Aylesford, Cornwallis, and Horton) while Hants County has ten =20
> (Douglas, Falmouth, Kempt, Maitland, Newport, Rawdon, Shubenacadie, =20=

> Uniacke, Walton, and Windsor).
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>

Patrick,
These are Townships not districts.

George





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On 11, Oct 2006, at 12:31 PM, Patrick Kelly wrote:


<excerpt><excerpt>On Oct 11, 2006, at 11:29 AM, Jim Wolford wrote:


Jon's right, of course, but there is an issue here that needs a
crusader?  I

look at it as both a heritage issue and a grammar issue (not just the

latter, as some of you might suspect).  I think the current lists of

"official place names" are doing a huge cop-out by taking all the

apostrophes out of those names.  If this is allowed to go on for much

longer, nobody alive will know what the original names' origins really
were

(or is it too late now, or nobody cares but me?).  Anyhow, this
probably

doesn't deserve any discussion here now.  Blame Jon for bringing this
up,